UFO's & UAP's: Is the Truth Out There?

[LeafErikson]

The climate was changing before we were here and it will continue to change once we are gone. The debate lies in whether or not climate change poses an existential threat to humanity. There are quite a few people and entities that profit from the fear generated from that debate.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

Please provide evidence that it is all a scam, besides your opinion.
The same can be said for those who oppose climate change advocacy, like big oil and fossil fuel industries. They make a lot of moolah

I'm quite sure I wouldn't be able to prove that to you, or anyone else who has fully bought in to the climate change narrative, that it is a scam.

I can only argue that you can't prove that the temperature is rising rapidly and permanently. If you mean that the weather changes as we go through time, I would agree. There are weather cycles that we don't understand, because we don't have enough data (time) to understand it.

These climatologists that might be able to begin to understand long term weather cycles have a one track mind. They, and the universities that they work for, have lost the trust of the common man. Too much of what they say is obivously bull, and the system that funds them has ethical problems.

I'm not the one with an opinion. The burden of proof falls on the people saying the sky is falling, not the people saying they don't believe it.

 

[Searock Fan]

All things considered, I'm actually pleased that it's overall sounded like adults bouncing around ideas without losing sleep over others' differences. I'd have expected it to be shut down by now, but it seems to me that the participants are proving that that's not necessary. Nobody has gotten overly personal or histrionic. At most there are eyerolls in both directions, and anybody should be able to live with some eyerolls.

If you can't say what you think on a forum, then what good is it?

 

[Searock Fan]

If 97% of climatologists are funded by the same interests with the same agenda, then that makes that talking point a bit misleading.

It seems to me that the ones who have the deep pockets to fund that 97%, would be against the climate change theory, not for it. After all, you can make a lot more money fighting against the climate change than you can supporting it. And in the end, isn't that what it's all about... making more money?

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

It seems to me that the ones who have the deep pockets to fund that 97%, would be against the climate change theory, not for it. After all, you can make a lot more money fighting against the climate change than you can supporting it. And in the end, isn't that what it's all about... making more money?

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You would think, that's part of why it's so bad.

In 2024 investments in "green energy" will be twice as much as investments fossil fuel.

E&E News: Clean energy spending on pace to surpass $2 trillion

The International Energy Agency predicts that investments in carbon-free energy will be twice as large as fossil fuel spending in 2024.

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[BingBong]

You haven't been paying attention. Nobody is blaming climate change on humanity. It's happening whether we like it, believe it, or not. That's not where the debate has been. It's been about to what extent human activity has affected climate change, not whether it has created it.

Human activity has no bearing on climate change. It has been responsible in good part for the "greening of the planet" and alleviating chronic CO2 starvation.

 

[sablebrush52]

Human activity has no bearing on climate change. It has been responsible in good part for the "greening of the planet" and alleviating chronic CO2 starvation.

We’ll agree to disagree. There’s this thing called the Industrial Revolution.

 

[sablebrush52]

I'm quite sure I wouldn't be able to prove that to you, or anyone else who has fully bought in to the climate change narrative, that it is a scam.

I can only argue that you can't prove that the temperature is rising rapidly and permanently. If you mean that the weather changes as we go through time, I would agree. There are weather cycles that we don't understand, because we don't have enough data (time) to understand it.

These climatologists that might be able to begin to understand long term weather cycles have a one track mind. They, and the universities that they work for, have lost the trust of the common man. Too much of what they say is obivously bull, and the system that funds them has ethical problems.

I'm not the one with an opinion. The burden of proof falls on the people saying the sky is falling, not the people saying they don't believe it.

The same argument you’re making could easily be stated in the reverse. You do have any number of opinions, that everyone concerned with climate change is a charlatan, that they are all doom and gloom, that they all serve the same nefarious interests though you can’t name them and that they have lost the trust of the “common man”.

Speak for yourself. That should suffice.

Rapidly getting warmer? Nope. Incremental temperature change? Yep.
More cases of extreme weather? Yep?
It’s not like someone throws a switch and everything goes to hell, it’s a gradual process. Ocean currents are slowly changing, which affect temperatures. There’s a lot of unexplained and unexpected changes happening that scientists are trying to understand.
You say that you hate pollution. Why? It’s not causing any damage, right? So pollute away. All those thousands of tons of pollutants entering the atmosphere aren’t affecting anything, right? All those pollutants pouring into rivers and oceans aren’t doing anything, if species go extinct, doesn’t matter. And if ecosystems are destroyed, doesn’t matter.
And if the “common man”, nice term that, doesn’t believe it, that doesn’t matter either. Because in your learned opinion it’s all a scam.
So don’t worry, be happy.

 

[georged]

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

The same argument you’re making could easily be stated in the reverse. You do have any number of opinions, that everyone concerned with climate change is a charlatan, that they are all doom and gloom, that they all serve the same nefarious interests though you can’t name them and that they have lost the trust of the “common man”.

Speak for yourself. That should suffice.

Rapidly getting warmer? Nope. Incremental temperature change? Yep.
More cases of extreme weather? Yep?
It’s not like someone throws a switch and everything goes to hell, it’s a gradual process. Ocean currents are slowly changing, which affect temperatures. There’s a lot of unexplained and unexpected changes happening that scientists are trying to understand.
You say that you hate pollution. Why? It’s not causing any damage, right? So pollute away. All those thousands of tons of pollutants entering the atmosphere aren’t affecting anything, right? All those pollutants pouring into rivers and oceans aren’t doing anything, if species go extinct, doesn’t matter. And if ecosystems are destroyed, doesn’t matter.
And if the “common man”, nice term that, doesn’t believe it, that doesn’t matter either. Because in your learned opinion it’s all a scam.
So don’t worry, be happy.

See you did it again... You mixed in something demonstrable like pollution with climate change.

Pollution causes proven damage. You dump chemicals in the river the fish die. That's easy enough to understand.

Your climate change is more like a religion though... It's undefined and it requires faith to believe it.

Many people do not have faith in the institutions that you do. You can criticize my use of the term "common man" if you like, but people don't believe in these institutions like they did in the past. They've lost their credibility, and that really is a shame.

As for your list of things I believe or don't believe, I won't unpack that.

This kind of stuff doesn't impede my happiness, and you shouldn't let it bother yours.

 

[BingBong]

The same argument you’re making could easily be stated in the reverse. You do have any number of opinions, that everyone concerned with climate change is a charlatan, that they are all doom and gloom, that they all serve the same nefarious interests though you can’t name them and that they have lost the trust of the “common man”.

Speak for yourself. That should suffice.

Rapidly getting warmer? Nope. Incremental temperature change? Yep.
More cases of extreme weather? Yep?
It’s not like someone throws a switch and everything goes to hell, it’s a gradual process. Ocean currents are slowly changing, which affect temperatures. There’s a lot of unexplained and unexpected changes happening that scientists are trying to understand.
You say that you hate pollution. Why? It’s not causing any damage, right? So pollute away. All those thousands of tons of pollutants entering the atmosphere aren’t affecting anything, right? All those pollutants pouring into rivers and oceans aren’t doing anything, if species go extinct, doesn’t matter. And if ecosystems are destroyed, doesn’t matter.
And if the “common man”, nice term that, doesn’t believe it, that doesn’t matter either. Because in your learned opinion it’s all a scam.
So don’t worry, be happy.

The 63 or more volcanoes firing off at the moment think we're amateurs. The magnetic poles are on the move, the magnetic field is reduced hugely enhancing solar effects - none of this is our doing. We're puny, as far as climate goes. Pollution, different matter entirely when it comes to microplastics and "forever chemicals".

 

[JOHN72]

With respect to what Sable comments, it is one of the issues that produces terror, the garbage, in solid and liquid form, which is dumped into the sea. And that I imagine will be altering the ecosystem, to turn the oceans into a hot soup of scum. The planet has an expiration date, but human stupidity does not. And this is what they call progress. We only have to see the circus of the political elites in the European Parliament, clowns in ties, bowing down to Putin whims. And the most shameful thing is that Europe is going to increase the defense budget, with a Europe that has the lowest birth rates on the planet. Unemployment, rising housing prices, and the most basic necessities for survival, and they call this progress.

 

[sablebrush52]

See you did it again... You mixed in something demonstrable like pollution with climate change.

Pollution causes proven damage. You dump chemicals in the river the fish die. That's easy enough to understand.

Your climate change is more like a religion though... It's undefined and it requires faith to believe it.

Many people do not have faith in the institutions that you do. You can criticize my use of the term "common man" if you like, but people don't believe in these institutions like they did in the past. They've lost their credibility, and that really is a shame.

As for your list of things I believe or don't believe, I won't unpack that.

This kind of stuff doesn't impede my happiness, and you shouldn't let it bother yours.

And the debate is how much pollution is affecting climate change. Welcome to the debate.

 

[karam]

These climatologists that might be able to begin to understand long term weather cycles have a one track mind. They, and the universities that they work for, have lost the trust of the common man. Too much of what they say is obivously bull, and the system that funds them has ethical problems.

If the universities and climatologists have lost the trust of the common man, as skilled professionals seem to have across the board, the loss will be for the common man by and large. Look at the picture above. I want to be flown by pilots, live in building designed by engineers and built by professional builders, want to be diagnosed and treated by certified MDs, and represented by lawyers...there's no space for plurality of opinion about these things.

My grandma who was a farmer and did 3 years of school (but knew to write with perfect grammar and spelling, and also in calligraphy - because kids these days "learnt letters" at school) knew what she knew, and also knew what she didn't know. If she was alive during COVID I don't expect she'd be an anti-vaxxer because she trusted that the doctor knew what they were talking about, and not some hack on the net fishing for clicks and ad revenue.

Social media and their positive feedback loops have enabled like-minded people from around the world to not exchange information freely, but actually reinforce their beliefs. It's morphing into an echo chamber.

I will not claim to agree or disagree or even having ever really looked into the arguments for and against man-made climate change. Hence I don't have an opinion on that. What bothers me is the dogmatism of those saying that there's no such thing.

What I will say though is that in my lifetime of 40+ years I know that the weather has changed: seasons (in Greece) have changed from having 4 distinct seasons to having a hot and dry one and a cold(ish) and (very) wet. It's closer to tropical than temperate.

I know there won't be any valuable exchange of information and opinions so won't write much here.

 

[Hillcrest]

Where did all the UFOs/UAPs go ? Has anyone seen one lately ?

 

[HeavyLeadBelly]

Where did all the UFOs/UAPs go ? Has anyone seen one lately ?

They got chased off by climate change experts

 

[Hillcrest]

They got chased off by climate change experts

The climate changes around my area about 4 times a year on average ... at least so far.

 

[BingBong]

Where did all the UFOs/UAPs go ? Has anyone seen one lately ?

Valid question. I haven't seen any weird things flying about since 2016 (11th September to be exact), having seen many between 4th April 2004 and that date. It's not as if you have any choice, either, it happens or not.

 

[Searock Fan]

I've thought about this for a while and still wonder if it's a good idea for two reasons. First, I've remained anonymous just in case I ever pissed off someone.... And second, because by posting this it will provide ammo to anyone who already thinks I'm nuts. If they do, so be it... no, not so be it, but screw em. This will give you some personal info about me but I don't think anyone will be able to nail it down too much. I like to think I'm like Batman; a good guy but as to who I am, none of your business. Now that I've shown how self important I consider my self, here's a report I submitted to MUFON a few years ago. It should appear first on the page; MUFON 97632

FT. WALTON BEACH, FLORIDA, US – 7/1/1970 | UFO Sighting Report

“{cak} Incident at Eglin / In the summer of 1970 I was a member of the USAF, attached to the 3201st Air Base Group, Eglin AFB, Florida. / At this time I was working as a computer operator on the grave yard shift in building 100. One other ai…

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Note: A while after filing this report I got in touch with the other airman who was with me when it happened. He remembered things just the way I did except for one. He said that when the object got to the point above us where it stopped, that another one appeared close by and moved over and they merged together before disappearing. I had forgotten this detail.

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[sablebrush52]

When I was a kid, growing up in the San Fernando Valley, we would get the light dusting of snow once every several years. That hasn't happened in decades, until a couple of years ago when they got a light dusting in the Hollywood Hills, up around the Hollywood sign.
A hundred plus degree day was a rarity, not a ten day block or longer, nor happening as well in March and November in addition to the usual September heat.
Up til a few years ago I had never heard of atmospheric rivers, heat domes, or bomb cyclones.
People seem to think that all of this should be a straight progression and that anything that isn't somehow disproves climate change. That's wishful thinking. There's just a whole lot of complexity in the process.

And to bring it back to UFO's, I'm skeptical about all of it.