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Lifer
Oct 6, 2021
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One of my all-time favorite Michael Crichton writings: Aliens Cause Global Warming

I just read this entirely and carefully. When I first opened it, I didn't expect that I'd endure to the end, just because so frequently I feel that I've gotten the gist of a thing and I move on. But in this case he didn't lose me. It was one of the most worthwhile pieces I've read in a long time.

I'd read only The Lost World from Crichton, if I recall, and wasn't even aware that he'd written non-fiction, let alone of this caliber.

Will be passing this along. Highly recommended.
 

JoeW

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I just read this entirely and carefully. When I first opened it, I didn't expect that I'd endure to the end, just because so frequently I feel that I've gotten the gist of a thing and I move on. But in this case he didn't lose me. It was one of the most worthwhile pieces I've read in a long time.

I'd read only The Lost World from Crichton, if I recall, and wasn't even aware that he'd written non-fiction, let alone of this caliber.

Will be passing this along. Highly recommended.
No one could write a thriller like Crichton could. Many have tried, but none have succeeded. IMHO, of course. He had a talent for grabbing your attention and not letting go. Even in his most flawed books (Timeline, Sphere), he could still hold your attention through the worst parts. I first saw The Andromeda Strain on TV back in second grade, and then borrowed the book from family friends. They still hold up, and I still watch and read them often.

"Aliens Cause Global Warming" is one I frequently recommend to people who are too credulous about the claims of science. Aw, who am I kidding: I recommend it to everyone who'll listen.
 
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sablebrush52

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I skimmed through the Crichton doc and will go back to is later today to read it more fully. The complaint about the commercialization and sensationalizing of science is spot on.

The comparison of Climate Change to SETI or Nuclear Winter is not. SETI is based on faith. Nuclear winter is based on guess work extrapolated from very fragmentary sources. Climate Change is the result of a century's worth of measurements worldwide. That's called data.

The debate isn't whether climate is changing. The debate is the extent to which human activities have affected Climate Change. A lot more research has happened since Crichton wrote his article. It would be nice to believe that all of this climate concern was based on soft science and opportunistic fearmongering. Unfortunately, it's not.
 

Streeper541

Lifer
Jun 16, 2021
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I hold the same view, and although I haven't read that book, I can recommend this one from an Orthodox perspective:

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It is available online for free, HERE.

@Streeper541 I know that you're a conservative Lutheran seminarian -- I enourage you to consider this take.
I'm very familiar with the position discussed in that book. I tend to deviate from the party line on this particular issue. 😉
 
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Lifer
Nov 14, 2020
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From what I read online, there was a meeting in 2022, 2023, and this year 2024, making it three hearings…

This article talks about a 2023 meeting in Congress.


2022 Congress

 

FLDRD

Lifer
Oct 13, 2021
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The data includes deep bore tube samples through Greenland and Antarctic ice going back 120,000 years.
Ok.
Any time I've seen data promoting alarmism it has always seemed to be cherry picked from the last 100 or so years.
Any time I've seen data from the ice core samples, it seemed to be telling the opposite.
No, I don't have the data. I don't store it. Not going to spend my time trying to gather it up.
Simply stating a personal observation.
 

sablebrush52

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Ok.
Any time I've seen data promoting alarmism it has always seemed to be cherry picked from the last 100 or so years.
Any time I've seen data from the ice core samples, it seemed to be telling the opposite.
No, I don't have the data. I don't store it. Not going to spend my time trying to gather it up.
Simply stating a personal observation.
My hundred years of data includes core samplings covering hundreds of thousands of years. You were way too quick on the trigger.

About the time that Crichton wrote this article I was having lunch with my uncle and a friend of his. Climate change was just becoming a more widely known concern. So I asked my uncle and his friend what they thought about it. Was it real and was it a cause for concern. They both replied, yes.

My uncle was the Chairman of the Department of Geology at the California Institute of Technology, better known as Caltech. He's one of three scientists credited with establishing the age of out planet. He's the co-founder of a branch of science known as Exo Geology. Oh, yeah, he also trained the astronauts how to gather samples on the moon to start to build a geological history for it.

If you ever saw Tom Hanks' miniseries From the Earth To The Moon, he's portrayed in it. Funnily enough, none of the creators actually ever met Leon because he was known as a super serious scientist who wouldn't have given them the time of day.

I never met a more skeptical human being in my life, except for my father who was an Aerospace engineer who designed life support for Apollo, and a bunch of other things in a career spanning 60 years.

My uncle's friend at that lunch was the President of the National Academy of Sciences, no slouch himself, and also a hard core skeptic. They had been studying the data and were satisfied that the concerns were genuine.

Since then I've done quite a bit of reading on the topic, much of it boring scientific studies rather than glossy crap.

I'll take them over you, or any other self proclaimed "expert" on this forum when it comes to this topic.
 
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It was global cooling, then global warming, now they call it climate change.

Climate change means that every weather event proves that humans are bad and that there are too many of them.


For those who buy into this:

Why are you still driving and flying around dooming humanity?

And If there are too many people, why wouldn't you do the right thing and jump off a bridge?
 

Hillcrest

Lifer
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It was global cooling, then global warming, now they call it climate change.

Climate change means that every weather event proves that humans are bad and that there are too many of them.


For those who buy into this:

Why are you still driving and flying around dooming humanity?

And If there are too many people, why wouldn't you do the right thing and jump off a bridge?
Who was Maurice Strong ? The goal was never to save the planet but to control it.
 
For those who buy into this:

Why are you still driving and flying around dooming humanity?

And If there are too many people, why wouldn't you do the right thing and jump off a bridge?
I am still driving and flying around the world, because... even though the climate is changing, I don't care.
This goes towards my answer for your second question... I figure that climate change will kill off the extra people.
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