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sardonicus87

Lifer
Jun 28, 2022
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Lower Alabama
Yes, there's been several studies to show since 2019, accidents, fatalities and other metrics show we're getting worse at driving year over year, with two main factors continuing to increase: distracted driving and aggression/road-rage.

I'll admit my road-rage has gotten worse, but it's gotten worse because other people are driving more shittily. It's not just that there's more people being distracted and driving 10 under the speed limit in the passing lane for several miles before making a right-hand-turn from the left lane at the last minute with no turn signal (I see this behavior DAILY where I live, and I don't live in some huge city). It's also people blatantly ignoring and running red-lights, extreme tail gaiting, brake-checking, etc.

And when I say my road rage is getting worse, I mean yelling in my helmet and getting privately angry. I don't take that rage out on others (don't tailgate, don't brake check, don't cut people off, don't even make obscene gestures or honk at them, but I really, really, really want to and often fantasize about getting a truck and wrecking them all out and pulling them from their vehicles and beating them with their own steering wheels).

It's definitely getting way out of hand. And I know everyone thinks they're a good driver and that everyone else sucks at it, but I've always taken road safety very seriously, even more so after becoming a motorcyclist. I don't have close calls very often because I practice situational awareness and ride/drive defensively. But now it's getting harder to avoid dicey situations because the number of potential situations is increasing and it's getting harder to keep your distance from everyone else and to predict what they're doing when they're being more erratic than usual.
 
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ssjones

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May 11, 2011
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My county loves the round-about, or what I call the Indy 500, my observation it's a race to merge first. They are only installed because they are cheaper than traffic lights.

I've driven close to two million miles in the past 25 years (perhaps close to what a truck driver might do?). My wife says The Walking Dead and scary movies will give me nightmares. Nope, the Jersey Turnpike, PA Turnpike, I81 and I70 give me nightmares.

100% true:

A rural(ish) town within the orbit of Kansas City got all Righteous 'n' Shit about rebuilding their main arterial street with roundabouts to Save the Planet, spent a couple years and stupid money doing it, and then discovered they were too small in diameter for city busses, school busses, and a high percentage of trucks to use.

How is that level of stupidity even possible?

Because the same dynamic is in play at the local level that has recently bloomed at the state and city level around the country. The creatures who are driven to be in charge, who think they MUST be in charge, and will do ANYTHING to be in charge---meaning the dark triad biological specimens humanity has always produced---have ju jitsued the mechanisms of leadership selection by weaponizing the instant and constant communication afforded by social media. They find society's key positions and swarm them like army ants. School boards, city councils, elected DA's, elected judges, and so forth.

Result? You end up with categorical idiots in charge of everydamnthing. Combative, war-minded little shits who immediately go about surpressing all disagreement and assuming as much control of things as they possibly can, simply because that is what such people do. It's how they are wired.

Give them a "cause" of some sort to facilitate their coordination and provide pretext for taking action, and boy howdy does Houston have a problem.

Because competence and demonstrable skill in things connected to objective reality are not part of the package.
 

mawnansmiff

Lifer
Oct 14, 2015
7,805
8,589
Sunny Cornwall, UK.
I'm pretty sure round-abouts are a step towards communism.
You've never experienced a roundabout unless you've been to Swindon in Wiltshire. There, they have a roundabout surrounded by five more roundabouts :oops:.

"...its name comes from the popular children's television series The Magic Roundabout. In 2009, it was voted the fourth-scariest junction in Britain".

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The one and only time I happened upon this I just rode right over it!

Regards,

Jay.
 

lraisch

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 4, 2011
734
1,529
Granite Falls, Washington state
Drivers these days seem to think that since their car will physically turn without turning on the signal that its unnecessary. It kind of falls into the same category of being polite to one another, we don't do that anymore. So why would use or turn signals, that kind of thing is for the benefit of those around you. As a society we have vilified doing anything for the benefit of others.
I don't use my turn signal, I don't want anybody to know where I'm going!

BTW, the most common traffic infraction around here is using a .44 in a .357 zone.
 
They are only installed because they are cheaper than traffic lights.
Someone posted a video of our county town hall meeting where they told us that a traffic light cost $500,000 and a round about was cheaper. But, then we had someone stand up with costs of eminent domain, obligatory court costs with that, and then the construction and landscape maintenance of them, it was a lot more than $500,000. Then one guy stood up with overalls and said that he would install traffic lights for half that, which made everyone crack up.
If not cheaper, I am not sure why they want them, but they are putting them everywhere. I see more wrecks at these things.
 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,263
30,344
Carmel Valley, CA
In some places, roundabouts are absurd, but in many places I've travelled through, they are real time savers. More aesthetic than light poles, wires, and waiting.

When first installed, in an area with few or no roundabouts, chaos happens. Then it straightens out, smooths out, and the idiots who still have trouble with them go another way.
 

bearwolf56

Might Stick Around
Mar 16, 2013
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Burlington, North Carolina
Someone posted a video of our county town hall meeting where they told us that a traffic light cost $500,000 and a round about was cheaper. But, then we had someone stand up with costs of eminent domain, obligatory court costs with that, and then the construction and landscape maintenance of them, it was a lot more than $500,000. Then one guy stood up with overalls and said that he would install traffic lights for half that, which made everyone crack up.
If not cheaper, I am not sure why they want them, but they are putting them everywhere. I see more wrecks at these things.
I think there's more wrecks at round abouts because people in the US aren't used to them and don't know how to drive in them. There are a couple of "rules of the road" to navigate them, that most people don't know as well as some common sense that most don't have to use them.
 
I think there's more wrecks at round abouts because people in the US aren't used to them and don't know how to drive in them. There are a couple of "rules of the road" to navigate them, that most people don't know as well as some common sense that most don't have to use them.
They are so small, and on busy school roads where heavy traffic is coming in to pick up students, and many students are leaving school, it gets chaotic. The idea was to keep the flow of traffic moving, but no one would say that this fixes that. Especially with inexperienced drivers trying to use it.
 
Aug 11, 2022
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Cedar Rapids, IA
You've never experienced a roundabout unless you've been to Swindon in Wiltshire. There, they have a roundabout surrounded by five more roundabouts :oops:.

"...its name comes from the popular children's television series The Magic Roundabout. In 2009, it was voted the fourth-scariest junction in Britain".

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The one and only time I happened upon this I just rode right over it!

Regards,

Jay.
I learned about that one through XTC!

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,263
30,344
Carmel Valley, CA
I think there's more wrecks at round abouts because people in the US aren't used to them and don't know how to drive in them. There are a couple of "rules of the road" to navigate them, that most people don't know as well as some common sense that most don't have to use them.
Yep; ignorance of how to navigate through them (should I not say "around"?) is huge, but with a half intelligent population and a few tries, it becomes easy.

But there are situations where they make driving worse.
 
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timelord

Part of the Furniture Now
Oct 30, 2017
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Gallifrey
You've never experienced a roundabout unless you've been to Swindon in Wiltshire. There, they have a roundabout surrounded by five more roundabouts :oops:.

"...its name comes from the popular children's television series The Magic Roundabout. In 2009, it was voted the fourth-scariest junction in Britain".

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The one and only time I happened upon this I just rode right over it!

Regards,

Jay.
There's a very similar one in Hemel Hempstead:

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If anyone's wondering why so many mini-roundabouts around the big; it's because you can navigate the big roundabout in either a clockwise or anticlockwise direction.

I've driven around both of these and couldn't see what the fuss was about.
 

Pipingntrucking

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 9, 2022
112
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Zebulon-JoCo NC
As a fuel haul truck driver that runs NC,SC and occasionally Virginia..... .all I can do is nod my head in agreement to most observations so far listed. Then laugh at the thought of one of y'all going on a ride along with a trucker. I've seen everything from a Lambo pin balling itself off a barrier effectively making it a Fiero to someone achieving the near impossible of hanging an 8 foot u-haul box truck from a power line like a t-shirt on a clothes line.
And yes on average- AVERAGE- a truck driver see 1mill miles in 10 years-ish.