Tobacco Globalism

[cosmicfolklore]

I hear that Bud Light is now doing their canning.
You're welcome, and there will be plenty on the shelves for the uninitiated.

 

[RookieGuy80]

I see this as mostly a good thing. I've spent much of my working life in logistics in some manner. The more sources available for both raw materials and finished goods the better. Tobaccos grown in India, African countries, and some in South America, blended and shipped from somewhere in Asia, packaged in the US, with profits going to Germany or the UK feels right to me somehow.

 

[greeneyes]

I've recently heard some whispers regarding K&K and something about a "separation".

I heard this from a friend on a zoom call two weeks ago. Just because Kopp is a K&K subsidiary that handles pipes, pipe cleaners etc., doesn't mean it's preparing to become a separate entity.

 

[bluegrassbrian]

I heard this from a friend on a zoom call two weeks ago. Just because Kopp is a K&K subsidiary that handles pipes, pipe cleaners etc., doesn't mean it's preparing to become a separate entity.

Some people seemed to think it spelled doom somehow.
I have my doubts. I don't think the products are going anywhere.

 

[swilford]

There's no secret. Cornell & Diehl is packaging for K&K in the US, while K&K is doing the same thing for C&D in Germany. So, yes, those Rattray's tins were packaged in South Carolina.

As for the tobacco, nothing has changed: literally where it's put into the tin. Great big boxes of tobacco arrive from Germany along with pallets of tins and such to keep everything perfectly consistent, and they're assembled here.

There was never a press release about packaging K&K here--mostly because it's kinda boring--but it's not a secret.

Sykes

 

[woodsroad]

Until there is an official announcement as this is the first tin I've seen marked thus let's just say a major distibuter in the US. Birdies are whispering not shouting at the moment. I for one am excited to see more Rattrays, Robert McConnell, and hopefully Fribourg and Treyer. But I don't know about that last one.

BTW what/where is the date code not the bar code on that tin?

No date code that I can find.
Distributed by Laudisi.

 

[woodsroad]

There's no secret. Cornell & Diehl is packaging for K&K in the US, while K&K is doing the same thing for C&D in Germany. So, yes, those Rattray's tins were packaged in South Carolina.

As for the tobacco, nothing has changed: literally where it's put into the tin. Great big boxes of tobacco arrive from Germany along with pallets of tins and such to keep everything perfectly consistent, and they're assembled here.

There was never a press release about packaging K&K here--mostly because it's kinda boring--but it's not a secret.

Sykes

Thank you, Sykes.
If the empty tins are also imported, what are the advantages of this arrangement? Import duties?

 

[ThermionicScott]

I've recently heard some whispers regarding K&K and something about a "separation".

The Kohlhase brothers left K&K to focus on cigars: Adam and Daniel Kohlhase found M. K. & Söhne - Cigar Journal - https://www.cigarjournal.com/adam-and-daniel-kohlhase-found-m-k-sohne/

 

[swilford]

Thank you, Sykes.
If the empty tins are also imported, what are the advantages of this arrangement? Import duties?

Yes, but the other way around: US->EU import duties are high, so it made sense to have C&D packaged in Germany. K&K didn't have packaging capacity to do all of their own stuff, let alone adding in C&D for Germany (and some other EU countries) on top of that.

We were in a better place to scale packaging capacity at C&D, so we solved that problem by packaging for K&K here.

Sykes

 

[HawkeyeLinus]

Butt Tan
I keep thinking Butt Tan now.

And near Assam --- of course!

 

[woodsroad]

Yes, but the other way around: US->EU import duties are high, so it made sense to have C&D packaged in Germany. K&K didn't have packaging capacity to do all of their own stuff, let alone adding in C&D for Germany (and some other EU countries) on top of that.

We were in a better place to scale packaging capacity at C&D, so we solved that problem by packaging for K&K here.

Sykes

I’m duly impressed with your drive to innovate and break the status quo. This is brilliant.

 

[krizzose]

Yes, but the other way around: US->EU import duties are high, so it made sense to have C&D packaged in Germany. K&K didn't have packaging capacity to do all of their own stuff, let alone adding in C&D for Germany (and some other EU countries) on top of that.

We were in a better place to scale packaging capacity at C&D, so we solved that problem by packaging for K&K here.

Sykes

I’m hoping there was at least one PowerPoint slide with the word “synergy” on it in the B2B discussions that preceded this arrangement

 

[vosBghos]

I guess greater availability is a positive thing, but isn't K&K typically where blends go to be "reformulated" into something unrecognizable?

K&K is doing what they can but sadly with taking over production of so many blends some of the more unique ones were probably made as the best approximation based on what materials are on hand to produce the most blends in a cost-effective way. I have old and new F&T they seem to do pretty well I can't speak for McConnell and Ratrays.
I definitely noticed some changes in recent Solani but I don't even know how long they have been producing it.

 

[vosBghos]

There's no secret. Cornell & Diehl is packaging for K&K in the US, while K&K is doing the same thing for C&D in Germany. So, yes, those Rattray's tins were packaged in South Carolina.

As for the tobacco, nothing has changed: literally where it's put into the tin. Great big boxes of tobacco arrive from Germany along with pallets of tins and such to keep everything perfectly consistent, and they're assembled here.

There was never a press release about packaging K&K here--mostly because it's kinda boring--but it's not a secret.

Sykes

Thanks for piping in, I did not want to overstep is all. People and pipes get so bent out of shape sometimes.

(edit) So hey how are we gonna date these tins?

 

[vosBghos]

Distributed by Laudisi.

well there you go, hmm , how we gonna date the tins?

 

[woodsroad]

well there you go, hmm , how we gonna date the tins?

I use a sharpie.

 

[vosBghos]

I use a sharpie.

I hear that, but I was wondering now that some are being canned stateside it would be nice to have a canning date for cellaring, surprised they didn't just use the sticky tag like the rest of the C&D stuff

 

[swilford]

I’m duly impressed with your drive to innovate and break the status quo. This is brilliant.

Thanks! I should add--just to be maximally clear--that both directions all of the tobacco work is done by the factory it originates with. Nothing changes with the tobacco either way.

Distributed by Laudisi.

No. There have been no changes in distributors for these products. So Arango continues to distribute Rattray's, for example.

Sykes

 

[simong]

Some. STG isn't above reformulation either.
In the past 10 years, K&K have done some great things too.

Quite so!
They aren’t, the others have & continue to do so.

 

[simong]

And near Assam --- of course!

Sorry, but whenever I see you post I think ‘hawkeyes anus’…..perhaps a name / avatar change would be a good idea?