Things I Will Do When Dunhill Tobaccos End

[mso489]

Boy, 'Jersey is (or has) multiple personalities. The chemical plants, mafioso, and Camden poverty are one array. But so is the 'Jersey shore, Princeton University, and the Garden State aspect, which is a reality and not just hype. Cape May is a great shore, despite flooding after rain.

 

[jpmcwjr]

The main idea is to stop whining and find those tobacco blends from others that are as good or better than the Dunhill blends. I'll concede that maybe one or two of them has no near equivalent, but tough tittie.

 

[jpmcwjr]

RE: Jersey, the new one. And to the West, completely different. Horse country, Ag, and the Delaware Water Gap among others.

 

[woodsroad]

MSO, I worked in Jersey for a dozen years as a news photographer, lived in Central Jersey for 3 years and loved it, except for (OK, I deleted the rest of this post, as it really started to go downhill at this point).

 

[mso489]

Jersey across the Hudson may inherit the kinds of people that Greenwich Village, SoHo, and Brooklyn used to have and/or are losing, with the rents and real estate all taken up by absentee owners and financial district people. Despite the bridge problems, Jersey now has some of the limited middle class housing stock that young people and families can afford, and creative folks. The work places may follow the younger people across the river.

 

[deathmetal]

I always liked CS Lewis. Plus, the hacker named "Dawn Treader" was somewhat legendary.

 

[saintpeter]

Plus, the hacker named "Dawn Treader" was somewhat legendary.

death metal underground?

 

[lestrout]

Yo wood
Re: "loborx, the Dunhill blends are manufactured by STG. Depending on the verbiage of their contract with BAT, I would find it very likely that if Dunhill pulls the plug on pipe tobacco, that STG will continue to manufacture these blends, or something very, very similar. The FDA Deeming regulations, as they now stand, allow for packaging changes (i.e. rebranding) as long as the product remains the same. So the pre-2007 Dunhill blends should remain in production, provided STG thinks that they will be profitable." -- so does this mean that Brigham's US/Canadian blends, whose lineup mirrored many Dunnies, could return to market? In the US, they were introduced after the original 2007 Deeming date.
hp

les

 

[warren]

lestrout: Why would they do that if there is no profit in the blends?

 

[deathmetal]

death metal underground?

No, before that. I'll see if I can dig up his phile.

 

[woodsroad]

Pre-2007 products are up in the air. Their status is in limbo. I have no inside info with STG on any of this, just a reading of the regs and a cursory understanding of how brand licensing works. The devil is my n the details, and the details are driven by economics.

 

[deathmetal]

Government: our savior.

 

[unkleyoda]

Lets encourage the owner of the recipes of the tobaccos formerly known as Dunhill to rename them after CS Lewis books.

Nightcap could become The White Witch, Morning Early Morning could become Aslan's Dream, Royal Yacht could become The Dawn Treader. Tolkien always gets all the pipe smoking street creds. But, Lewis was just as much a pipe smoker, plus he made better stories, IMO.
Edit: drats, Woods already dumped the cold water on that idea.

Name them after Dave Berg, long time Mag Magazine writer.

What me worry?!

 

[dochudson]

Being 68 I'm comfortable with my Dunhill stash. Nightcap and Liz Mix most!y.

 

[mawnansmiff]

"Pipe tobacco is no longer of interest [to Dunhill]..."
Jesse, if that is the case then why did they bring (at least) three new blends to the market these last couple of years?
Regards,
Jay.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

if that is the case then why did they bring (at least) three new blends to the market these last couple of years?

Jay, Dunhill as a corporation did not. It was the company that is leasing the Dunhill name that brought the new blends. Just as the corporation of Dunhill has been out of the pipe biz for a while now. And, they are forcing the pipemaker using the Dunhill name to brand them as Alfred's White Spots. Dunhill as a corporation have no interest at all in pipes nor tobaccos.

 

[woodsroad]

So, there are multiple entities that lay claim to the name "Dunhill".
The oldest use in current trademark registration is of course Alfred Dunhill of London, Inc. They are the lux goods company now. Dunhill Tobacco of London Limited/BAT is the tobacco (but not the pipe) company. Alfred Dunhill of London, Inc. doesn't lease the "Dunhill" name to BAT. Dunhill Tobacco of London Limited/BAT holds the trademark for "Dunhill" but only when used in context with specific tobacco products, like "Dunhill Early Morning Pipe" (at least in the US). Here is a list of all of the trademarks held by Dunhill Tobacco of London Limited.
The National Christmas Products, Inc. of New Jersey owns the name "Dunhill" as it applies to artificial Christmas trees (honest, you could look it up!)
"The White Spot", however, is owned by Alfred Dunhill of London, Inc., (the lux goods company) as is the name "Dunhill" as it applies to "smoker's articles, namely, smoking pipes, cigar and cigarette lighters, cigar cutters, cigar and cigarette cases, humidors, cigar and cigarette holders and matches" so the lux goods, old original "Dunhill" still controls all aspects of the pipe business and the decision whether or not use the "Dunhill" name on pipes.
Clear as mud?

 

[woodsroad]

To further complicate matters, Dunhill Tobacco of London Limited/BAT doesn't manufacture pipe tobacco. The tobacco is manufactured by STG. The exact relationship is not made public, but Dunhill probably licenses the trademarks to STG and receives a royalty on sales. I think that General Cigar (owned by STG) distributes Dunhill cigars and pipe tobacco, but I'm not sure. If BAT was to sell the Dunhill line, my money would be on STG as the most likely buyer. They could buy the Dunhill trademarks only as they pertain to pipe tobacco and cigars. Or, they could just continue making the same Dunhill pipe tobacco under similar, but different names. But honestly, the sales attraction is in the Dunhill name. The tobacco is good, but no better in quality than any of the other fine STG products. The "Dunhill" name sells.

 

[perdurabo]

Laugh

 

[jpmcwjr]

I submit many (not all) folks who are "in love with" things with the Dunhill name on them are more in love with the tradition, the name, than the actual tobacco. No one here, of course....
Edit- I was composing this before I saw woodsroad's reply..