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telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Interesting theorizing. But, I suspect no current, modern theory will ever be able to adequately explain the mysteries of the paranormal.
It's only paranormal because we haven't learned how normal it is. Once humans are able to better describe and interact with the world of quantum reality as well as other aspects of inter dimensional intersections, what was once considered paranormal will be par for the course. When quantum computing begins to become normalized, I suspect our understanding of the universe will peel back much more quickly.

Or, maybe not.
 
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renfield

Lifer
Oct 16, 2011
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Would beg to differ only in your conclusion that, if phenomena are not scientifically reproducible, they're not real. I would say, if they're not scientifically reproducible, we simply do not know the actual reality status of them. However, there have been over the years some university-based scientific studies of paranormal abilities which had reproducible outcomes.
If it’s real, it’s scientifically reproducible.

Could you point me towards the studies with reproducible results?
 

pantsBoots

Lifer
Jul 21, 2020
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As for something tangible with a fairly well documented history that would be considered to fall into the paranormal category, I can think of no better example than Coral Castle in Florida.

I've been fascinated with it and its creator Edward Leedskalnin for a long time. He certainly appears to have violated the generally accepted "laws of physics"...and I've yet to read or hear any satisfactory explanation that covers all of the known facts surrounding this whole story to convince me otherwise.

I think he published some books before death, explaining away how he did it. If memory serves, it involved rambling accounts of weird experiments involving sound. It stopped me cold when I read it, because of the old legends regarding Merlin building Stonehenge and the builders of Puma Punku. Both legends involved the movement of heavy stone with song.
 

Bluemonter

Starting to Get Obsessed
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I'm retired now, but I used to have a business that restored and replicated old wood windows and doors in the NJ/NY area. I've been in allot of old buildings, many on the National Historic Registry, some for the National Park Service.
I've had many paranormal experiences.

One really weird experience was when I was refinishing the woodwork in a church in Summit, NJ.

My employees left the church to head back to our woodshop. Doors to the church were locked after they left. Only other person in the building with me was the secretary. She was holed up in her office yapping away on the phone.

I went into the kitchen to grab a cup of coffee and got smacked in the forehead with what felt like a low powered pellet shot. I heard this 'pellet' fall on the floor and bounce several times. Searched the floor..... Couldn't find anything.

I had a small digital voice recorder that I used for taking notes while I drove. I placed the recorder on the kitchen counter, next to where I got 'shot', to see if I could catch any other weird going's ons. Hit the record button and went back to my work in the chapel. I laughed to myself that I'm ghostbusting now...

I returned to the kitchen and retrieved the recorder. Building was still empty but for me and the secretary. Put an earbud in and played back the recording.

Recorder clicked on... Me walking out of the kitchen.. Closing the door... Several minutes later I hear what sounds like an old man snoring and grumbling. Clear as can be, as if the recorder was right under his nose. Almost twenty minutes of this going on....then me opening the door... walking over to the recorder....and click, it's off.

I never tried recording anything again.
Ignorance is bliss, I guess..
Once in a long while I'll put batteries back into the recorder and play it back.
Freaks me out every time listening to it....
 

sittingbear

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 20, 2015
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Here's a realization I recently came to. We can't explain why there's something (e.g., the universe) instead of nothing. Not even the laws of physics, which some claim explain something- from- nothing, belong to the realm of non-existence. So if we can't explain why there's something "here," we shouldn't discount the possibility that there's something "there."
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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I think he published some books before death, explaining away how he did it. If memory serves, it involved rambling accounts of weird experiments involving sound. It stopped me cold when I read it, because of the old legends regarding Merlin building Stonehenge and the builders of Puma Punku. Both legends involved the movement of heavy stone with song.
I don't recall anything specifically about sound.

The pamphlet you're referring to is titled Magnetic Current, and his ramblings were pretty much all related to just that...some supposed manner of manipulating gravity with "magnetic current".

But however he did it, the fact is he did it...all by himself...and mostly worked at night. Countless tons of coral bedrock quarried , moved and set up. And as if that wasn't enough, a little later he moved the entirety of it all about 10 miles down the road.
 

irishearl

Lifer
Aug 2, 2016
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I'm retired now, but I used to have a business that restored and replicated old wood windows and doors in the NJ/NY area. I've been in allot of old buildings, many on the National Historic Registry, some for the National Park Service.
I've had many paranormal experiences.

One really weird experience was when I was refinishing the woodwork in a church in Summit, NJ.

My employees left the church to head back to our woodshop. Doors to the church were locked after they left. Only other person in the building with me was the secretary. She was holed up in her office yapping away on the phone.

I went into the kitchen to grab a cup of coffee and got smacked in the forehead with what felt like a low powered pellet shot. I heard this 'pellet' fall on the floor and bounce several times. Searched the floor..... Couldn't find anything.

I had a small digital voice recorder that I used for taking notes while I drove. I placed the recorder on the kitchen counter, next to where I got 'shot', to see if I could catch any other weird going's ons. Hit the record button and went back to my work in the chapel. I laughed to myself that I'm ghostbusting now...

I returned to the kitchen and retrieved the recorder. Building was still empty but for me and the secretary. Put an earbud in and played back the recording.

Recorder clicked on... Me walking out of the kitchen.. Closing the door... Several minutes later I hear what sounds like an old man snoring and grumbling. Clear as can be, as if the recorder was right under his nose. Almost twenty minutes of this going on....then me opening the door... walking over to the recorder....and click, it's off.

I never tried recording anything again.
Ignorance is bliss, I guess..
Once in a long while I'll put batteries back into the recorder and play it back.
Freaks me out every time listening to it....
EVP-electronic voice phenomena-is an interesting field of paranormal investigation. This respected gal's ventures in it a number of years ago is fascinatingly recounted here along with the history of the investigatory technique. https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.574.3745&rep=rep1&type=pdf
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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Synchronicity...today's Dilbert for this thread:

9e76a39083a6013a9d83005056a9545d
 

renfield

Lifer
Oct 16, 2011
5,191
42,657
Kansas
Here's a realization I recently came to. We can't explain why there's something (e.g., the universe) instead of nothing. Not even the laws of physics, which some claim explain something- from- nothing, belong to the realm of non-existence. So if we can't explain why there's something "here," we shouldn't discount the possibility that there's something "there."
We can discount it until there’s proof of it.

Anything presented without proof can be discounted out of hand.
 

renfield

Lifer
Oct 16, 2011
5,191
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Kansas
A very common feature of claims of psi, ghosts etc is that there’s an energy involved. Experimental particle physics is able to measure the energy balance in even individual particle interactions of all sorts to exquisitely fine levels. The Standard Model of physics explains the force and energy interactions with no missing energy which would imply a type of energy or interaction existing outside the Standard Model.

If someone wants to claim that paranormal phenomena exist either within or outside of physics the the burden of proof is on them.
 

Tar Wheel

Lifer
May 23, 2020
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I’m not sure if this falls under paranormal, but I will share the story anyway.

My ex wife was an identical twin and extremely close with her sibling. They were the type that could finish each other’s sentences. My ex always said that they shared a psychic connection. I knew that you never wanted to play spades against them as a team because they seemed to know what cards the other was holding at all times. I just figured that they honed their cheating skills down to a fine undetectable art.

There were other things like telling me her sister was going to call, and 2 minutes later the phone would ring. These were days before cell phones and texting.

One night, we were sound asleep in the bed, and my ex screamed and sat up in the bed and told me she had intense pain in her right leg. I looked her leg over and offered to take her to the emergency room after not finding anything wrong.
She declined and after a little bit I drifted back off to sleep, while she laid there rubbing her leg.

We were awakened an hour later by a phone call from my wife’s Mother. She was calling to tell us that my wife’s twin sister had been in a terrible accident. She told us that they thought she would survive but things were touch and go and her right leg had to be amputated. I swear, every hair on my body stood up when I heard that. My wife had actually felt the pain of her twin’s leg being amputated without having any knowledge of the event whatsoever. If I hadn’t witnessed it, I would have never believed it.
 

irishearl

Lifer
Aug 2, 2016
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The article you linked was just a bunch of 2nd hand mentions of studies the author claims to be proof. I’m looking for actual published and peer reviewed papers for starters.
The article speaks of Daryl Bem's research which was published in a peer-reviewed journal. However, cannot link you to the published article itself.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
A very common feature of claims of psi, ghosts etc is that there’s an energy involved. Experimental particle physics is able to measure the energy balance in even individual particle interactions of all sorts to exquisitely fine levels. The Standard Model of physics explains the force and energy interactions with no missing energy which would imply a type of energy or interaction existing outside the Standard Model.

If someone wants to claim that paranormal phenomena exist either within or outside of physics the the burden of proof is on them.
i am not sure which scientific sources you used to study science, but “proof” isn’t a real scientific concept. Evidence and data may suggest a hypothesis or support a hypothesis but unless we are discussing scientific laws, I’d suggest pulling back on the word proof. Even scientific laws are constrained by the observational bounds that are laid out for them. As soon as observations suggest something else, laws are amended and or questioned.