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andrew

Lifer
Feb 13, 2013
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I wonder if they put the wrong label on the tobacco? But being such a small outfit I don't think bad customer service is going to really affect them in the long run, if they were worried they'd up production etc.... I'm sure they could probably sell their product just in the UK and be fine.

 

rhoadsie

Can't Leave
Dec 24, 2013
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Virginia, USA
Is this really so surprising? If we buy a tin or pouch and do not inspect it then it is on us. How many C&D tins have had problems with mold? We buy tobacco and take it on faith that they are okay. The seller cannot assume responsibility for tins that are not handled and stored properly once they have left their hands.

 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
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Actually, Andy, the US market is now very important to Germain. The EU TPD regulations will require them to spend a good bit of money to come into complience. Perhaps so much as to make profitability questionable. Exports, however, are exempt.

 
Dec 24, 2012
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This is entertaining. Kevin should try and get John Germain on the radio show. He sounds like a character from a bygone era, and that would make for a compelling show. Of course, the chances are he will just tell Kevin that he has no interest in participating in such a show

 
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I will also say that I have noticed that the application of the famed stonehaven treacle can be more than a little uneven at times. I have experienced the same thing as the OP in this regard.

 

pitchfork

Lifer
May 25, 2012
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This has all the makings of a Roy D Mercer gag.
"Well, how big a ol' boy are ya?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW71U_gQIr0

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Assuming that the above correspondence is legit, it backs up what my friends across the Pond have been telling me about Germains, namely that they play be their own rules. The owner doesn't need the income and could happily close the doors and go fishing. They believe that they produce excellent products that are ready to smoke on delivery.
I get their point of view. When I took up the pipe 45 years ago, nobody talked about cellaring. You went to your drugstore and bought a can of some codger blend, or went to your tobacconist, sampled some of their blends and took some home to smoke. If you were a regular, your tobacconist would make up a blend just for you. Maybe you bought a tin or two of a Dunhill blend or a couple of tins of Sobranie for a few bucks. And then you smoked it and went back for more. Cellaring? What the hell was that and why do it?
Maybe we fetishize tobacco, like we have coffee - watch an overamped yuppie disintegrate because the texture of the steamed milk isn't "perfect" - or pizza - goat cheese with gold leaf. We assume that tobacco straight from the store is incomplete, that it needs years, perhaps decades, maybe millennia, of aging before it is worth incinerating. To a blender that could be construed as something of an insult. To my mind, yours may vary, the fixation with the absolute benefits of letting tins sit for years, has reached the loony limit with blends being marketed that are "designed" to be aged for a decade or so. Sounds like a gimmick to me.
I like Escudo. I like it fresh and I like it aged. Fresh, it has more pepperiness. Aged, it has more fruitiness. But it's perfectly good to smoke right out of the can.
Balkan Sobranie was a very enjoyable smoke. But the 35 year old cans being sucked up by suckers on eBay in the blind belief that blends only improved with aging, are either mummy dust or damp wraiths. Tobacco doesn't last forever. There is no viagra for 35 year old latakia.
None of which addresses the ongoing problem with Stonehaven, namely that it has been, and continues to be, uneven in quality. The OP isn't the first, by a long shot, to get stuck with a bad batch. From the standpoint of the manufacturer it isn't their problem. How do they know that the product wasn't screwed up, mystically, by someone else?
It would be nice if they cared, but they don't. They don't have to. You can walk away mad as hell, but two more will take your place because of the hype and the folly that accompanies the search for unobtanuim.

 

plains

Lurker
Sep 4, 2011
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It continues - just received:
Post this, then, if you have some form of courtesy within you:
I, Matthew Beckuis, have posted publicly a personal telephone number which

was sent to me in a private email.
If you do not, I will.
John Germain
Director

J.F. Germain & Son Ltd.

25 Commercial Buildings

St Helier

Jersey

JE2 3NB
Tel 01534 724581

Fax 01534 767373 www.jfgermain.co.je
-----Original Message-----

From: Matt Beckius [mailto:mattbeckius@me.com]

Sent: 14 September 2015 03:12

To: JFG

Subject: Re: Stonehaven tobacco problem
Your courteous response posted on pipesmagazine.com
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 13, 2015, at 9:00 PM, JFG wrote:
Call me, if you really are so wound up.
PHONE NUMBER REMOVED BY KEVIN AS IT WAS A PERSONAL / PRIVATE NUMBER
John Germain
Director

J.F. Germain & Son Ltd.

25 Commercial Buildings

St Helier

Jersey

JE2 3NB
Tel 01534 724581

Fax 01534 767373 www.jfgermain.co.je
-----Original Message-----

From: Matt Beckius [mailto:mattbeckius@me.com]

Sent: 14 September 2015 02:12

To: admin@jfgermain.co.je

Subject: Stonehaven tobacco problem
I've been enjoying Stonehaven tobacco for a few years and have

been able to cellar several 8 ounce bags over the years. Yesterday I

opened a bag recently acquired this past August and was completely

surprised at what I found. Instead of the familiar firm black flakes

I've been used to finding what presented itself was a mass of loose

light to medium brown tobacco which fell apart in my fingers .

Missing was the wonderful deep fruity aroma I'd come to expect. I

jarred this bag and opened another bag I purchased in December of 2014.What I found was much the same.

My question is this. Is this what I can now expect? Have you

changed the formulation of this wonderful flake? Is this a "goof" on

someone's part in the manufacture of this wonderful tobacco?

I have several more 8 ounce bags and am afraid what I'll find

when/if I open THEM!

Please advise!
Sincerely,
Matt

 
Dec 24, 2012
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Does that mean he's reading this discussion?
I just phoned the number and asked if they had Prince Albert in a can.
EDIT: Ah, I see now you referenced your post in your e-mail to him.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Germain is cellaring Prince Albert?
Apparently Mr. Germain is is not and has no reason to concern himself with Matt's discomfort. Matt inquired, Germain replied, end of discussion.
Per Jesse's information, Mr. Germain has no motivation to be the least interested in Matt's discomfort with the Germain product.
Matt: Have you ceased to enjoy "Stonehaven" yet?

 

elbert

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 10, 2015
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Ha! I think if I gave as few shits as him, I'd have more fun trolling.
Matt: Excuse me, my good sir--I purchased this pouch of Stonehaven not Eight months ago, and when I took the liberty of opening it up, I discovered that it was nothing more than a flavorless mass of brown yard waste...
John: ah, yes, the Stonehaven--beautiful blend, innit? Lovely Plumage...

 

skraps

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 9, 2015
790
6
This is punishment from the pipe gods for all of the Esoterica hoarding that has occurred. Bad juju.

 
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pipebuddy

Guest
Well, if there are so many inconsistencies with Stonehaven, I am not so sure I will bother buying some (if I could, that is).

 
Cellaring comes up as if it is a "thing" on this forum, but as I've seen time and time again since I have been here, cellaring is a new American phenomena. And, while it may be catching on, European tobacco companies are slow to respond to this very small niche market. We act sometimes as if these companies are crazy not to cater to our tiny part of the tobacco market. Yes, like 99% of all tobacco bought is bought to be opened and smoked right away.
Now, as to Germaine's email, I suggest you cease and desist buying any more of these products immediately, and send what you have in your cellar to me. I will take care of it for you.
It still surprises me at how easily offended we've become. It's so easy to take something to the interwebs and bash something or someone, but I would wait till all lines of communication have failed. You are dealing with language, cultural, and technology barriers. And, clearly this guys has an open line of convo going with you. It's like you cannot wait to let us know how this guys has offended you. Phhht, my suggestion is to just stop buying the stuff, so that those of us who appreciate the product can get it more easily. I find it really hard to sympathize.

 
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jmill208

Lifer
Dec 8, 2013
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Call him. The rarity of any form of human response to a customer claim makes this situation all the more unique. You have THE MAN just a phone call away. Hear him out, I say. :puffy:

 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
12,914
21,614
SE PA USA
"It continues - just received:
Post this, then, if you have some form of courtesy within you:
I, Matthew Beckuis, have posted publicly a personal telephone number which

was sent to me in a private email.
If you do not, I will.
John Germain"
The man has a valid point.

 

davet

Lifer
May 9, 2015
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Estey's Bridge N.B Canada
You have THE MAN just a phone call away.
I think "You HAD the man just a phone call away" is closer to what the situation is now.Posting the personal number wasn't a good idea although it may have been by mistake I think it has Mr Germain riled and any chance of a nice chat is gone out the window. Shame though, many other topics come to mind.

 
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