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Lifer
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Someone more familiar with the timeline will need to chime in but personally I’ve not seen any reference to the Belvedere until the late 1950s. Before then it fails to appear in a number of places you’d expect, eg the 1951 catalog, numerous contemporary price lists, and trade advertisements. Of course lack of evidence is not evidence but notwithstanding that I’d want to see something pretty concrete to push the origin of the Belvedere back to Frederick’s time, who after all died in 1918.
Thanks for the info I didn't know that about the belvedere. I was just going off of the small size, since I never see Charatan's pipes so small
 

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Lifer
Nov 30, 2020
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How do you differentiate between Frederick and Reuben's ? Just size is not enough
The tiny little Belge is the only Frederick era pipe I have.
It has no stamps or markings, and is quite a bit smaller than the 2 cuttys.
I purchased it from Ken Barnes and he was definite it was a Frederick era Charatan
 

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How do you differentiate between Frederick and Reuben's ? Just size is not enough
The tiny little Belge is the only Frederick era pipe I have.
It has no stamps or markings, and is quite a bit smaller than the 2 cuttys.
I purchased it from Ken Barnes and he was definite it was a Frederick era Charatan
Frederick era pipes won’t have a CP stem stamp, since that didn’t appear until the mid 1920’s. Also, if the pipe has any sterling on it, the makers mark will be FC.
 

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Lifer
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Frederick era pipes won’t have a CP stem stamp, since that didn’t appear until the mid 1920’s. Also, if the pipe has any sterling on it, the makers mark will be FC.
Oh wow, the wiki needs to be updated with this crucial info about the CP logo. The FC silver stamp isn't an indicator though- i have seen too many dunhill era charatan's with it.
 

sablebrush52

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Oh wow, the wiki needs to be updated with this crucial info about the CP logo. The FC silver stamp isn't an indicator though- i have seen too many dunhill era charatan's with it.
The Pipedia Charatan article needs some work. It’s better than it was. Ivy Ryan’s article has long been held suspect for its inaccuracies.

Hopefully a Charatan aficionado will do that.

The work done on other marques is the result of a lot of intensive work by pipe history sleuths and Charatan needs similar attention.
 
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50's - 60's selected countryman.
Heartbreaking beautiful ; the Countryman being my favourite Ch. shape.
I own three or four Selected De Luxe and Selected ones from the late fifties.
Most likely carved by Horace ( Horrie ) Jameson.
Best stay away from the "limited editon " ones; they were carved in St. Claude France.
Not meaning they are no good, but I do not consider them authentic Charatan.
 
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My Selected Countryman. It is on its way to a new owner, a collector of Countryman pipes. The late Ken Barnes told me this about the shape:

At the Charatan factory, the three hand-turners were Dan Tennison, Stan Haney and Barry Jones.
The Countryman was an extra large rather bulbous bent with a smooth straight-grain top part of the
bowl, a ring-bead and a sandblasted lower part of the bowl. the shank was nice and thick-round
with a saddle mouthpiece. These were always hand-turned and not a 'series catalogue shape'. They
were not common and made every so often (in the late 1960s- late 1970s)as and when the plateau
dictated it. These were really rare handmades. I have now only just noticed that you put a link in
for me of the pipe! Nice piece!!!!! Selected!!!! probably made by Dan Tennison.

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Dec 10, 2013
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My Selected Countryman. It is on its way to a new owner, a collector of Countryman pipes. The late Ken Barnes told me this about the shape:



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Wonderful pipe Al, wish you sold it to me :)
Ken stands me corrected; not Jameson, but Tennyson carved the Countryman shape.
Briefly before his untimely demise he offered me some for sale,amongst them a lovely smooth one !
And than time took him away from us, I still miss his expertise and our many and meaningful conversations.
 
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