Thanks for the info I didn't know that about the belvedere. I was just going off of the small size, since I never see Charatan's pipes so smallSomeone more familiar with the timeline will need to chime in but personally I’ve not seen any reference to the Belvedere until the late 1950s. Before then it fails to appear in a number of places you’d expect, eg the 1951 catalog, numerous contemporary price lists, and trade advertisements. Of course lack of evidence is not evidence but notwithstanding that I’d want to see something pretty concrete to push the origin of the Belvedere back to Frederick’s time, who after all died in 1918.

























