Red Virginias

[shanez]

I could've alternatively titled this thread "Tangy Or Not Tangy, That Is The Question."

Tangy is the quality I really like about reds and is what I'm after. I'm also only after current production. There is no need to suggest McClelland when it is no longer available.

I've tried: Sutliff 515 & Sutliff Cringle Flake
I have but not tried: C&D Carolina Red Flake (small amount) & Crumble Kake Red Virginia
Will order (when in stock): Watch City Simply Red

I've noticed Sutliff 515 starts up wonderfully tangy but about a third of the way into the bowl it dies down and I'm left with a very mild but pleasant straight Virginia flavor.

The Cringle Flake starts tangy and stays tangy.

Of the 2 Sutliff's I've tried this is the one I would order more of if I could. Can I expect any of the others to be somewhat similar to the Cringle Flake? Are there any other good reds in production I should be looking for?

 

[BROBS]

Carolina Red Flake is the opposite of tangy.
It made me feel like I was smoking Novocaine.

I think the Watch City is a Sutliff product so I would expect it to be slightly similar.

 

[shanez]

I don't really get tongue bite from reds but they do make me feel like I need to shave my tongue if I overdo it. ?

 

[BROBS]

I don't really get tongue bite from reds but they do make me feel like I need to shave my tongue if I overdo it. ?

I don't.. and the C&D had a mouthfeel I've never had before. I love McClelland 40th and get nothing but deliciousness from it.

honestly the best mouthfeel and flavor description I can give to the C&D is "numbness".
not bite..

never had that before. So if that sounds good to you then smoke away! I've got some I received as a sample I will gladly send you to smoke so you can leave you tin(s) unopened and hopefully sell them once you see how bad it is.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

C&D Red Virginia Cavendish. It's not a cavendish like we think of in aromatics.

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

C&D Carolina Red Flake is kind of a codger version of Red Flake. However, after being open for a bit, some tangy flavors began to appear. I like it a lot and I suspect as this blend ages, there will be more tangy flavors. WCC Simply Red definitely has some tangy flavor. I didn't find the Sutliff 515 to have much tangy flavor at all. Rather bland to me.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

C&D Carolina Red Flake is kind of a codger version of Red Flake. However, after being open for a bit, some tangy flavors began to appear. I like it a lot and I suspect as this blend ages, there will be more tangy flavors. WCC Simply Red definitely has some tangy flavor. I didn't find the Sutliff 515 to have much tangy flavor at all. Rather bland to me.

I think he is looking for one to buy and try now. C&D Carolina Red Flake was a small batch. They aren't on the market any more.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I'm just less impressed with Sutliff's attempts at Virginias. I used to hear people going bonkers for their bulk flakes, but I just never got into any of them.
C&D, I used to scoff, because their Virginias were so... tasted more like a burley to me. But, now that McClallands is gone, C&D is really the only company being as diverse with Virginias, almost as diverse as McClellands was.

 

[3rdguy]

Fribourg & Treyer - Blackjack

 

[BROBS]

C&D has two base VA's

Fribourg & Treyer - Blackjack

this stuff is good. don't tell people shhhhhhh

know what it used to be called?

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

Fribourg & Treyer - Blackjack

Very, very nice Red Va. I have about 15 tins in my cellar set back aging. I forgot all about it until I saw your post. Very under the radar but as good as any Red Va out there. Ribbon though, not flake.

 

[dmcmtk]

King's Red Virginia.

King's Red Virginia Pipe Tobacco | kingsmokingpipes - http://www.kingsmokingpipesandcigars.com/product-page/king-s-red-virginia-pipe-tobacco

 

[alaskanpiper]

Fribourg & Treyer - Blackjack

This. After trying it it made me wonder what all the fuss was about with Cut VA Plug. Blackjack is a far tastier blend, IMO. As Dave said, the King's is quite tangy as well, especially the tin, or rather bag note.

I'd throw Ken Byron Jupiter Slices on the list as well.

 

[3rdguy]

C&D has two base VA's


this stuff is good. don't tell people shhhhhhh

know what it used to be called?

I do and have some with that name still on it lol.

 

[briarbuck]

Solani red flake is worthy of discussion.

 

[workman]

I was underwhelmed by Fribourg & Treyer's Blackjack. No tang at all. Just very monochromatic bready virginia with a tiny bit of sweetness. Not bad, but rather boring.
McConnell's Red Virginia is a ribbon cut red va blend with a topping that might be raspberry or something like that. I kinda like it. It doesn't get full score, but it's OK, and it's certainly tangy.

 

[Mr.Mike]

Sutliff VA/per kake is ketchupy as all hell, if that's what your looking for.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I was underwhelmed by Fribourg & Treyer's Blackjack.

I was holding my tongue as well. I really haven't been thrilled by any of the F&T tobaccos. It has that acidic tingle without the flavor, for me.

 

[logs]

After testing five or six blends I've concluded that straight reds are pretty boring. Of the tangy/vinegar type McClelland is the best (obviously) but Watch City Simply Red is reasonably close and better than anything else I've found (albeit I haven't tested Solani's or McConnell's red offerings). But if you're going to order Watch City, I'd recommend Rhythm & Blues which mixes Simply Red with some dark stoved virginia. Overall it's a more flavorful smoke.

 

[mityahicks]

I also say the Watch City offerings are more tangy.

I enjoy Carolina Red Flake quite a bit but it isn't that tangy...yet.