Yes. It would suck to learn that they get them from Sutliff and then aren’t going to continue them.
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Good news that the Pete blends are ok for now. With any company we may as well learn that all blends are subject to vanishing. Considering the Pete blends are only avaliable in tins its a bit spendy to try and stock up. Now I can slowly stock up on DNR.
While I have both 507c and LNF and always felt like LNF had more in common with OGS, I’d like to point out a huge difference between 507c and LNF…price per pound. If 507c goes away, who is excited to pay $35 more for the same thing?
This is the part that upsets me the most. A non-American company went in bought an American company with 175yrs of history and completely shut it down and put Americans out of work. Completely no respect for the history and heritage or the workers.
Sutliff was also doing some incredible blends for content creators that were delicious blends and helped expose pipe smokers to more content and now that’s never going to happen again because STG is too big for it. They also supported Seattle Pipe Club and a number of B&M house blends which are now in limbo. This just highlights how out of touch STG is with the community.
STG is taking a niche industry that was moving even more niche with an increase to boutique small batch blending and is trying to globalize it more and make it more mass produced. The people in charge cannot read the room.
STG seems so obsessed with international sales that they don’t see the damage they’re doing to the American market.
I'm very curious about this as well, just because historically I've never been able to smoke blends containing Perique on account of the Perique giving me a sore throat, but 507C has never bothered me at all so I never thought to question that it might not be a pure Virginia.
I believe that match blends are done at the Bethlehem, PA warehouse, using STG tobaccos.
Do you feel the same way when an American company buys an overseas company?
I think you are attributing altruism and malevolence where there is none. It’s all business, aimed at providing a suitable return to investors.
And, FWIW, Sutliff wasn’t an American company.
My guess is that when these pipe blends that were made in Richmond are now manufactured offshore and imported back into the US, the import tariffs will be significant.
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Timing is everything isn’t it! After I just spent way more than I will ever admit to on tins of Elizabethan Mixture. Oh well, it will not be wasted.
Do you feel the same way when an American company buys an overseas company?
You’re just trying to deflect and not speak to the topic.
I think you are attributing altruism and malevolence where there is none. It’s all business, aimed at providing a suitable return to investors.
Yes, it is business and I can take my money and give it only to Cornell and Diehl which I plan on doing.
You’re just trying to deflect and not speak to the topic.
I think you are attributing altruism and malevolence where there is none. It’s all business, aimed at providing a suitable return to investors.
Yes, it is business and I can take my money and give it only to Cornell and Diehl which I plan on doing.
I’m not sure what the argument is here but lets be clear. Its always been business. Its about making money. Its not habitat for humanity. Anger serves no real purpose.
One could just as easily be angry with the owners who had the gal to take money from foreigners. Its just as silly of an argument.
One could just as easily be angry with the owners who had the gal to take money from foreigners. Its just as silly of an argument.
That's capitalism baby
So it sounds like the HH line is on the chopping block, but are all the blends on the block. Nobody makes anything close to the HH ODF in my opinion. Could something like that continue as the same product but just under the standard MacBaren line?
Leonard, the HH line was available in the UK but got delisted about 18 months ago. We never got the full range that they do in the US but we did get Bold Kentucky, Old Dark Fired and Latakia Flake.
Have you tried Amphora's Kentucky Blend? Not saying it's the same, but it's close, IMHO.
Leonard -
Sorry, I'm not sure I understood exactly. The HH blends here in the states? Delisted or TBD? If you can clarify...appreciate it, thanks.
Sutliff hasn’t been American owned for almost 50 years.
The only legit gripe is giving its workers the heave without a decent severance, and that’s an unknown.
The complaining changes exactly nothing.
Make STG an offer to buy Sutliff and run it yourself. Then you’ve taken a meaningful action.
Just hope people remember that we're incredibly lucky to have resources like this. How often do you even know the names of people involved in production end of your other hobbies? How often do you have this much access to the bendable ears of the people that make anything you consume?
So if you're a jerk to them you're also being a jerk to the rest of us. Imagine they stop coming to a forum like this because of a handful of people are abusive. That happens and we'll lose a lot more then we already have. And every other pipe smoker will be allowed legally at that point to slap the perps who ruined a critical resource. Serious about the fact that having such access might be something critical to keeping pipe smoking healthy and viable and if you can't behave for them, then behave for the rest of us.