Oh yes! That's why I refer to smoking as a "selfish" choice. A lot of other people have to pick up the costs.Does the government truly gain by forcing people to quit smoking?
Oh yes! That's why I refer to smoking as a "selfish" choice. A lot of other people have to pick up the costs.Does the government truly gain by forcing people to quit smoking?
But at the same time, some people are profiting from this. Pharmaceutical, insurance, tobacco company, medical field.. They are all over priced and some can't get the benefit they offer. The government talk about controlling the access to these, but most people do not see it coming their way. We know smoking related diseases cost money, but that's why middle class people are paying the bills. Unlike Canada, UK and other places, we (USA) don't have universal health system. So, is it really make sense to penalize smokers? It's almost like saying driving should be banned because of fatalities. Cost of infrastructure, road, medical, stupid people...The costs to the economy are far greater than any tax benefit. These costs factor in illness, lost productivity, and medical costs. In the US it runs into the tens of billions. Of course, those figures are more than a decade old, so may be approaching the 100 billion mark.
Already happening in Oz where there is a growing black market for illegally imported cigarettes.I also envision a not particularly robust "black market" in the future. Tobacco growers will move on to more profitable products and so forth. Wars seem to prop up tobacco sales. Who knows, another big war, free cigarettes to the troops and, maybe, the cycle starts all over. I doubt it though, people are becoming too health conscious I think.
What about the ten grossly overweight people to the one selfish smoker?? What cost do they put on us all due to health complications and issues?Oh yes! That's why I refer to smoking as a "selfish" choice. A lot of other people have to pick up the costs.
Gday Woodsroad I really appreciate the offer but wasn't my aim to burden anyone with an attempt get help from anyone although means alot to have it offered . Was more just to let pipers everywhere know how bad the Australian government has become , while it's not illegal to import cigars , snuff and vapes , somehow pipe tobacco is not on that list and therefore we have more young people vaping and smokeing pot , as it's seen as the healthier option , that's not to mention the other illicit drugs easily available and cheaper than a pouch or packet , just dosnt make sense to me , but sorry to whinge , just a sad state of affairs delivered by a dictatorship of incompetent short-sighted policy makers whose only interest is to get their fat grubby fingers in as many cash filled pies as they can , thanks for listening sorry for boringI have a mailbox.
Let me know if I can be of assistance.
Unfortunately pipe tobacco is placed in the same category as roll your own cigarette tobacco - the only thing in common is that both of them are in “loose“ form.Was more just to let pipers everywhere know how bad the Australian government has become , while it's not illegal to import cigars , snuff and vapes , somehow pipe tobacco is not on that list and therefore we have more young people vaping and smokeing pot , as it's seen as the healthier option , that's not to mention the other illicit drugs easily available and cheaper than a pouch or packet
Not a loop hole, just that chewing tobacco is also included in the exemptions list like cigars. I haven’t looked at Australian (or NZ) legislation for a while but from memory OZ’s had a caveat of “not intended for smoking purposes” attached to chewing tobacco.Unfortunately pipe tobacco is placed in the same category as roll your own cigarette tobacco - the only thing in common is that both of them are in “loose“ form.
I have yet to confirm, but @Ahi Ka intimated that there might be a loop hole - ropes can be imported as “chewing“ tobacco without a licence/permit.
As long as the excise duty is paid.
The costs to the economy are far greater than any tax benefit. These costs factor in illness, lost productivity, and medical costs. In the US it runs into the tens of billions. Of course, those figures are more than a decade old, so may be approaching the 100 billion mark.
Tobacco is a nootropic. The state can't afford anything that promotes a more thinking, more aggressive, or less domesticated population. Everything is meant to tame us. Consider masculinity, trade jobs, reproduction, food, exercise, leisure... Everything is meant to make us dumb amd docile. Anything that counteracts that is demonized by the state and its propagandists.And yet alcohol costs the economy even more.
These are their numbers and research about things that are extremely hard to measure and in some cases impossible. I think there is something else going on here.
Not saying tobacco is harmless. It’s not. But then again it doesn’t matter what I think. I follow the laws, I don’t make them.
Soon all unapproved activities will be banned and we'll all be eating that baby food they fed RobocopDoes the government truly gain by forcing people to quit smoking? It's beyond my understanding why anyone would force another to give up such a simple pleasure. I understand the health risk. But it seems like this is more than an innocent service to the public. Force quitting smoke now. What would be the next? No alcoholic beverages. No coffee. No tea. No education.. Turn back the time to the dark ages where the lords (G men) will dictate when someone can take piss?
Oh yes! That's why I refer to smoking as a "selfish" choice. A lot of other people have to pick up the costs.
"I've got one that can see!"Tobacco is a nootropic. The state can't afford anything that promotes a more thinking, more aggressive, or less domesticated population. Everything is meant to tame us. Consider masculinity, trade jobs, reproduction, food, exercise, leisure... Everything is meant to make us dumb amd docile. Anything that counteracts that is demonized by the state and its propagandists.
I don’t know, it might be more about trying to save money and lives. In the past 3 or 4 years I’ve had 4 fairly young friends who were all heavy smokers die very expensive deaths at tax payer expense. They all went down fighting for their lives but only one quit smoking.It's all about getting votes and staying in power.