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Winnipeger

Lifer
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No problems with those. In general, the round tins seem to hold up better. Being circular, the pressure is better equalized around the circumference. Still, even these round tins occasionally fail.
I didn't expect my round tins to fail but I knew it was a possibility. Hopefully that dried out Durbar will still smoke ok with a little hydration. The 1792...I should have known better. When a tin of tobacco costs upwards of $50 on the domestic market, it's more of a loss than some here may appreciate. There was a window when it was easier (and cheaper) to import, but those days are done. Now it's a game of trying to preserve the stash and ordering bulk in dribs and drabs. I'm thankful for all the insights this forum has provided and feel like I'll be able to keep up this hobby for a while longer.
 
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Got several cans of Balkan Flake the other day. The cans have a plastic strip around where the lid lip meets the can... like a lot of food products do. I removed the plastic and I could feel the lid was kind of loose. No way this is a vacuum seal. The tobacco was still moist. After trying it I've decided to let it dry out some. It has the "grassy" Virginia taste I don't care for and as far as it being 30% Latakia, you could have fooled me. I didn't taste any Latakia flavor at all. If a few days of drying doesn't help it, I'll try mixing in some more Latakia and see what happens. puffy

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Update: I let the Balkan Flake day out and it does smoke a littler better. However, like someone else pointed out the stuff is almost impossible to light. So, I used an old trick that has worked before. I fill the pipe 2/3 with the flake, then top it off with something else that will burn. In this case some Proper English which works because they are both Latakia blends. But I take it another step. I use some of the small grains that accumulate at the bottom of the humidore, because they burn easily and because this is a good use for them as they can stop up your draft hole if they're at the bottom of a bowl. They burn well and will start the Flake burning and problem solved. Some "purest" might think this mixing is sacrilege, but it works for me. puffy
 
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K.E. Powell

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A few years back I was reading posts at the Briar Blues channel on YouTube and was surprised to see one from Greg Pease stating that he had changed his position on keeping tobacco in the tin, after finding a number of "disappointments" in his cellar, and that he recommended immediately transferring the contents to jars after after purchase.
I cannot help but feel in good company if GL Pease agrees with me. Even so, no method is perfect, but I really do prefer jarring my tobaccos. I probably go a little too thorough with it: nearly all my tobaccos are in those overpriced Le Parfait jars that use a rubber seal and metal closure, and it works exceptionally well.
 

peteguy

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Sorry if already asked, if say a cellared tin was compromised, in such a way that it was not noticed by the owner, how long would said owner have to check his tin before the tobacco is too far gone to save?
 
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Lumbridge

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Sorry if already asked, if say a cellared tin was compromised, in such a way that it was not noticed by the owner, how long would said owner have to check his tin before the tobacco is too far gone to save?
I would imagine that this depends on the tobacco inside and the climate they are stored in. Wet aromatics with lots of added humectant will take a long time to dry out, whereas I have read of non-aromatics becoming noticeably drier a few weeks after the seal is broken. Indoor humidity will also be a factor.

Many smokers have rehydrated very dry tobacco with success, btw. It might lose a little something, but will still be smokable.
 

Winnipeger

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How does one tell if the seal on a tin is compromised without opening it? Every tin I've ever purchased has leaked some scent of the tobacco inside, yet they hiss and pop when I open them.
If you gently test the lid with your fingers and the lid comes off with little effort, it's been compromised...If you try twisting the lid off a sealed round tin, it won't come off by hand unless you release the seal first...If it twists off by hand, it's not sealed. If the lid is convex rather than concave it may be compromised...If the tin is dented, it may be compromised. I think it's fairly obvious of a seal has failed on a tin. For me, I'm simply not storing tobacco in the flat tins anymore. It'll age fine without the tin. End of story. I've popped (almost) all my flat tins and found a couple of them to have no seal and containing dried out tobacco.

The seals on these flat tins are permeable, which means some aroma molecules and gasses can seep out without decreasing the internal pressure. I think off-gassing would increase the internal pressure (?), but that process can't last forever. Nature abhors a vacuum. Eventually the pressure inside any tin with a permeable seal is going to equalize with the atmospheric pressure. Then your seal is potentially compromised. How long will that take? Years? Decades?...It would depend on several variables; meaning there's no way to predict it. Eventually though, without enough internal pressure to effectively suction the lid in place, moisture will start to equalize with atmospheric humidity. If you're in a dry environment your tobacco will eventually lose most of its moisture. How quickly that happens would again depend on certain variables. Of course, as you've stated above, dry tobacco can potentially be salvaged and smoked, but a dried out tin is not an ideal storage vessel for finely aging your most cherished blends. YMMV.
 

Lumbridge

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If you gently test the lid with your fingers and the lid comes off with little effort, it's been compromised...If you try twisting the lid off a sealed round tin, it won't come off by hand unless you release the seal first...If it twists off by hand, it's not sealed. If the lid is convex rather than concave it may be compromised...If the tin is dented, it may be compromised. I think it's fairly obvious of a seal has failed on a tin. For me, I'm simply not storing tobacco in the flat tins anymore. It'll age fine without the tin. End of story. I've popped (almost) all my flat tins and found a couple of them to have no seal and containing dried out tobacco.

The seals on these flat tins are permeable, which means some aroma molecules and gasses can seep out without decreasing the internal pressure. I think off-gassing would increase the internal pressure (?), but that process can't last forever. Nature abhors a vacuum. Eventually the pressure inside any tin with a permeable seal is going to equalize with the atmospheric pressure. Then your seal is potentially compromised. How long will that take? Years? Decades?...It would depend on several variables; meaning there's no way to predict it. Eventually though, without enough internal pressure to effectively suction the lid in place, moisture will start to equalize with atmospheric humidity. If you're in a dry environment your tobacco will eventually lose most of its moisture. How quickly that happens would again depend on certain variables. Of course, as you've stated above, dry tobacco can potentially be salvaged and smoked, but a dried out tin is not an ideal storage vessel for finely aging your most cherished blends. YMMV.
Great answer, thank you. I think I ought to check my tins soon.
 

sablebrush52

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You know tins are out-gassing when you open the closet or tote you keep them in and can smell tobacco. But that doesn't mean any one seal is broken. Only way to check is gently pull on the lids. If there are no compromised seals you will still smell some tobacco over time, especially with square tins from SG.
The out gassing is just a very slow equalizing of pressure that, over time, maybe over a number of years, will eventually cause the seal to fail. It's just one of those facts of life. I have tins that have held up for a decade or more, some that went earlier that that, and none that made it to 20 years.
 

JSPiper71

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Jan 3, 2022
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I just opened a square tin of Old Dark Fired going back to 2015. When I popped the tin, there was a small whooshing sound, but not what I would expect. The rim of the tin had some rust on it and there were spots on the golden wrapper that indicated something wasn’t right. While this was my first time ever smoking this blend, I’ve smoked a lot of Burley Flake. The tobacco was fresh and beautiful still, so I got lucky. Being in Canada, there is no way I’m willing to shrug off spoilage as part of doing business. It’s way too expensive here, so most of what I have I bring back from the US or buy aged from a private seller. Again, expensive and hard fought to get where I am today In my cellar. Im going to pop all of the square tins and jar them. Just not worth the risk. May either vacuum seal or grab some of that stetchy tape for the round ones as I don’t see those as being as much of a risk.
I store my tobacco in a large cupboard in the basement. It’s a good constant temperature and void of sunlight. You can definitely smell the fact that my cellar is in the room though, which has always been a worry for me. If everything is sealed properly, then why do I have that wonderful smell down there?!?

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hoipolloiglasgow

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I love Gawith and Hoggarth/Samuel, but when I open up my Rubbermaid tub that I keep my tins in, I smell none other than Bob's Chocolate Flake. Hopefully they will hold well, because it's been that way and I don't plan on opening those tins for a while.
 

JSPiper71

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Now I’ve gone and opened a 2013 St James Flake and a 2018 Cabbie’s Mixture. Both are f great, even with rust forming around the rim of the tin. I wasn’t going to smoke a pipe tonight, but now I may just smoke two!!! :ROFLMAO:
 
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Winnipeger

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Now I’ve gone and opened a 2013 St James Flake and a 2018 Cabbie’s Mixture. Both are f great, even with rust forming around the rim of the tin. I wasn’t going to smoke a pipe tonight, but now I may just smoke two!!! :ROFLMAO:
It's fun opening all the tins in your cellar. Belieeeeve me!
 
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mingc

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Okay, am I the only one that stores like this?

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I would personally secure it with an extra large binder clip (after the bag's been open, of course):
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