PS LNF v Va. Slices 507C
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Are Sutliff 507-C Virginia Slices and Peter Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake the same blend? Probab-mayb-I don't thi-could be-seems like-possib-ehhhh... it could go either way.
Personally they don't smell or taste the same to me, but the guy from STG says they're the same blend. Do I believe the guy from STG though? Probab-mayb-I don't thi...
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Personally they don't smell or taste the same to me, but the guy from STG says they're the same blend. Do I believe the guy from STG though? Probab-mayb-I don't thi...
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They both smoke well mate and age well too so you're on a winner either way.
Leonard Wortzel of STG (who makes both) says they're the same in a prior thread:
"One of the best selling items in the Sutliff portfolio, by any metric, is 507C Virginia Slices. But Sutliff doesn't actually make 507C. Neither does Mac Baren. STG makes it. We sell it to Sutliff in bulk quantities. We also sell it under another name: Peter Stokkeybe Luxury Navy Flake."
And crashthegrey verified this with him:
"This only shows how strong the power of suggestion is. 507C had been called a straight Virginia and everyone swears by that. PS400 is sold as a VaPer, and everyone talks about the perique. The truth is, Leonard knows what he is talking about. The programs to make these two tobaccos are identical. There is absolutely no difference. Leonard feared he misremembered and went to check for sure after all of this when I spoke with him. But in the end, he recalled correctly and there is visual evidence out there."
"One of the best selling items in the Sutliff portfolio, by any metric, is 507C Virginia Slices. But Sutliff doesn't actually make 507C. Neither does Mac Baren. STG makes it. We sell it to Sutliff in bulk quantities. We also sell it under another name: Peter Stokkeybe Luxury Navy Flake."
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And crashthegrey verified this with him:
"This only shows how strong the power of suggestion is. 507C had been called a straight Virginia and everyone swears by that. PS400 is sold as a VaPer, and everyone talks about the perique. The truth is, Leonard knows what he is talking about. The programs to make these two tobaccos are identical. There is absolutely no difference. Leonard feared he misremembered and went to check for sure after all of this when I spoke with him. But in the end, he recalled correctly and there is visual evidence out there."
507c :: Pipe Tobacco Discussion
Per STG’s Leonardw, Sutliff’s 507c was produced by STG all along and is also sold as Peter Stokkebye - Luxury Navy Flake. It is also has some perique in it. If true, this blows my mind. Everyone was filling their cellars with the stuff before STG could close down production, and it was made by...
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Suffering from a bit of OCD, I just laid the 507C & the PS LNF along side each other, and I have to confess they look practically identical.
I'll stove 'em, and I wont be able to tell the difference.
My apologies to everyone for stiring up this broo-ha-ha.
But I always felt they were different.
I'll acquiece and say, at least I got some of both to smoke?!
I'll stove 'em, and I wont be able to tell the difference.
My apologies to everyone for stiring up this broo-ha-ha.
But I always felt they were different.
I'll acquiece and say, at least I got some of both to smoke?!
Is every batch of any particular blend always the same? There’s your answer.
Man, if I did that, my OCD would be just beginning...I'd worry I'd forget which was which!
The amount of perique in the 507 (which is what I've smoked for years) does vary. Usually it's quite light, but my current batch has more than usual. Crashthegrey mentions that since it's so low, it's hard to distribute evenly. I believe they're also sliced to slightly different thicknesses.
In another thread, I was told by Crash and Sable that Sutliff does have the capacity to make European Flakes for other companies. But, it has never made any sense to me that if they did have the capacity to make flakes for other companies, why were they having STG make their one and only flake? Seems like iof they had the capacity to make a flake, they should have had a dozen or so with their branding on them...
If they had the capacity to make pure non cased tobaccos for other companies, why did they never make one to sell under their own name? Of course, no one on the forum can answer this. Some may try, but ha ha, whatever.
There was just so much that never made sense to me about Sutliff. And, that's ok. I also don't understand bitcoins and NFTs.... and I would be just as bored and irritated if someone tried to explain these, haha.
It may be the difference in the taste comes down to variables that contribute to the taste during packaging, shipping, and warehouse storage. All three variable can and would impact the taste. We know tobacco is a sponge and that it breathes.
I was a chef in an Italian restaurant many decades ago. The owners had four locations and all of the main ingredients were put together a a commissary that served all four locations. Each restaurant took those base ingredients and followed the same recipes to create all the dishes listed on the menu which was similar to each of the places. However, depending on the stove, the location, and even the water that was used, everyone swore that each of the restaurants followed a different recipe. They did not. The very restaurant site itself dictated some aspect of the taste.
I'd never heard that, and agree with your point. If Sutliff could make European flakes, why did they instead only make crumble kakes? Unless people are saying they used their flake-making equipment only for a sinlge blend, 507c, which everyone used to think was made by Mac Baren. Now that STG claims to have been making it, people think Sutliff really made it after all?
I'm sure that if Per Jensen could have made his Birds and Pipe Force series as real flakes, he would have.
Good point and I’ve often wondered about the human element in tobacco making. It’s not impossible to imagine that the blenders unconsciously changed some aspect when doing a Sutliff run Vs a Stokkebye run because the preferred making one over the other. Either way they a good tobacco’s, I enjoy them a lot.
Longtime enjoyer of 507C here. I had never tried PSLNF until recently. I believe they are indeed the same. Any difference comes down to age from factory, batch, how your retailer stored it, shipping, natural variation, etc. I am quite pleased that I will have a continued source for this blend--even if the flakes are a different length!
Cheers.
Cheers.
All I have to say is people dumped a ton of shit on me for saying that the older versions of GH blends taste really different and have way more sauce on them than they do today. Now look at yall. Ha ha.
As to whether they had the equipment… Ask @crashthegrey
Everything that the STG has told us has happened. He hasn’t lied to us yet, as far as we know.
Why they didn’t make their own flakes to sell under their own brand… I have no idea.
I know that when I get a tool, I use the hell out of it. Got a concrete mixer last year, and made a sidewalk to everywhere in my yard, ha ha. Maybe they had one, but couldn’t figure it out. I have a digital kiln sitter for my wife’s ceramic kiln, and we have one… but we will figure out how to use it one day, ha ha.
As to whether they had the equipment… Ask @crashthegrey
Everything that the STG has told us has happened. He hasn’t lied to us yet, as far as we know.
Why they didn’t make their own flakes to sell under their own brand… I have no idea.
I know that when I get a tool, I use the hell out of it. Got a concrete mixer last year, and made a sidewalk to everywhere in my yard, ha ha. Maybe they had one, but couldn’t figure it out. I have a digital kiln sitter for my wife’s ceramic kiln, and we have one… but we will figure out how to use it one day, ha ha.
While I don’t have any 507 to ferret out whether it’s the same or not… If you like these blends I would suggest trying some OGS.
I came to his forum in the middle of the OGS wars, when people finally got the company to say that, yes, they put a trace amount of perique in their blends, but not enough to call it a VAPER. Half of everyone could taste absolutely NO perique in there, and half said that the perique was so strong it burned their sinuses… And there were others that said that they taste nothing, nothing at all from OGS.
Sounds like it shares an aesthetic with 507 and LNF. Ha ha. And some of us wouldn’t be surprised if it were the exact same thing as these two.
I came to his forum in the middle of the OGS wars, when people finally got the company to say that, yes, they put a trace amount of perique in their blends, but not enough to call it a VAPER. Half of everyone could taste absolutely NO perique in there, and half said that the perique was so strong it burned their sinuses… And there were others that said that they taste nothing, nothing at all from OGS.
Sounds like it shares an aesthetic with 507 and LNF. Ha ha. And some of us wouldn’t be surprised if it were the exact same thing as these two.