rhoadsie: Well played! As long as we deviate from the original subject the thread has it's moments. But, I do see a "train wreck" in sight with one of the more recent responses. That is if somebody takes the bait.
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In response to all the comments (all the things):
Bait: I’m assuming that this is referring to me. There is no bait. If a woman wants to be barefoot in a kitchen doing domestic work, I don’t have a problem with that. It’s her choice. Do I think she has made the wrong choice? I don’t know. That is up for her to decide. And the wedding tackle. I wouldn’t haven’t a clue. I’m a lesbian. We do totally different things.
Yes, my post was long, but at least, I didn’t have 5 million double spaces in it. Like someone really needs that much space to make a point of anything.
Don’t Judge a Book by its Cover: Why the hell not? Everybody else is. Hipsters with a beard that ride single speed bicycles. Women with tattoos. Female graduate students who talk too much about romance. Didn’t somebody also respond in a similar manner: “a pissing contest”? Look up phallogocentrism. And you will see what I mean.
Philosophers: These are not actual philosophers. These are people imagining that they philosophers. And what gives them that authority? Their pipes. They think that their pipes signify their legitimacy and authority to discuss matters that belong to the realm of philosophy, metaphysics, etc. The pipe has always symbolized intelligence, wisdom, intuition, rationality, authority, and class with the additional rationalization that if one smokes a pipe then he must possess all of these traits. Therefore, he must have the right, the authority to say whatever he pleases and it is so. They think, “Hell, if Einstein smoked a pipe, then I’m in the same league as him.” No, these cats are not philosophers. Here is a list of philosophers: Michel Foucault, Jacques Lacan, Jacques Derrida, Judith Butler, Donna Haraway, Katherine Hayles, Gloria Anzaldua, bell hooks, Roland Barthes, Pierre Bourdieu, Simone de Beauvoir, Monique Wittig, Luce Irigaray, Elizabeth Grosz, Gayatri Spivak, Sara Ahmed, Gilles Deleuze, Felix Guattari, Jean Baudrillard, Louis Althusser, Claude-Levi Strauss, Julia Kristeva, Carolyn Miller, Eve Sedgwick, Lee Edelman, Jack “Judith” Halberstam, Adrienne Rich, Kenneth Burke, Audre Lorde, James Gee, Walter Ong, etc. Of course, I left out 99.99% of the countless other philosophers since I more towards the French school of thought. However, I highly doubt the individuals who expound so much philosophical prowess to inform the less “educated” masses are on that list. I’m not on the list either. But I do know my way around my theory, and at least, I have enough education and common courtesy to know that it is not nice to talk to others as though you are above them in intellectual station. That’s not my jive. However, if I have to pull out my own cards to legitimize myself in this space, I have no problems in doing so.
Consequences: Lose lots of “cool” pipe-smoker points because a woman should always been seen and not heard, and I didn’t keep my mouth shut. My post is too long. And I tune out to mansplaining. But, hell, I’m just a fuckin’ woman. What the hell do I know….nothing.
Bait: I’m assuming that this is referring to me. There is no bait. If a woman wants to be barefoot in a kitchen doing domestic work, I don’t have a problem with that. It’s her choice. Do I think she has made the wrong choice? I don’t know. That is up for her to decide. And the wedding tackle. I wouldn’t haven’t a clue. I’m a lesbian. We do totally different things.
Yes, my post was long, but at least, I didn’t have 5 million double spaces in it. Like someone really needs that much space to make a point of anything.
Don’t Judge a Book by its Cover: Why the hell not? Everybody else is. Hipsters with a beard that ride single speed bicycles. Women with tattoos. Female graduate students who talk too much about romance. Didn’t somebody also respond in a similar manner: “a pissing contest”? Look up phallogocentrism. And you will see what I mean.
Philosophers: These are not actual philosophers. These are people imagining that they philosophers. And what gives them that authority? Their pipes. They think that their pipes signify their legitimacy and authority to discuss matters that belong to the realm of philosophy, metaphysics, etc. The pipe has always symbolized intelligence, wisdom, intuition, rationality, authority, and class with the additional rationalization that if one smokes a pipe then he must possess all of these traits. Therefore, he must have the right, the authority to say whatever he pleases and it is so. They think, “Hell, if Einstein smoked a pipe, then I’m in the same league as him.” No, these cats are not philosophers. Here is a list of philosophers: Michel Foucault, Jacques Lacan, Jacques Derrida, Judith Butler, Donna Haraway, Katherine Hayles, Gloria Anzaldua, bell hooks, Roland Barthes, Pierre Bourdieu, Simone de Beauvoir, Monique Wittig, Luce Irigaray, Elizabeth Grosz, Gayatri Spivak, Sara Ahmed, Gilles Deleuze, Felix Guattari, Jean Baudrillard, Louis Althusser, Claude-Levi Strauss, Julia Kristeva, Carolyn Miller, Eve Sedgwick, Lee Edelman, Jack “Judith” Halberstam, Adrienne Rich, Kenneth Burke, Audre Lorde, James Gee, Walter Ong, etc. Of course, I left out 99.99% of the countless other philosophers since I more towards the French school of thought. However, I highly doubt the individuals who expound so much philosophical prowess to inform the less “educated” masses are on that list. I’m not on the list either. But I do know my way around my theory, and at least, I have enough education and common courtesy to know that it is not nice to talk to others as though you are above them in intellectual station. That’s not my jive. However, if I have to pull out my own cards to legitimize myself in this space, I have no problems in doing so.
Consequences: Lose lots of “cool” pipe-smoker points because a woman should always been seen and not heard, and I didn’t keep my mouth shut. My post is too long. And I tune out to mansplaining. But, hell, I’m just a fuckin’ woman. What the hell do I know….nothing.
I think this is the root of everything gone wrong: fear of conflict, a.k.a. pacifism or subsidize your enemy.
But, back to hipsters:
Funny, but with subversive movements and dark organizations -- which hipsters are part of -- the signs are not visual but behavioral.
Funny, but I've read you're OP several times, but I still don't get it. I don't think that some fashion trend can even be "subversive or dark." I get that you are saying that there are hipsters and then followers. Sure, sure, I'll buy that for argument's sake, but please explain to me how all of this is organized. Plus, what is your proof that there is even an agenda or even a political movement attached to all of this. It's easy to just dispel youth as liberal, socialist, but lets see some evidence. I don't buy any of it, and I have never seen any evidence that these fashionistas are even political at all, much less liberal or deviant.
So, you say that they'll do damage to the pipe hobby. Explain, explain, explain... Do you mean damage like what they've done in bringing back Atari game systems, vinyl, and those fixadilly bikes? Sure, bring on some of that damage.
I used to never even see these guys till the forum started getting pounded with them, bringing attention to all of this. Now, I see that there is a record shop in the next city over with bearded and flanneled guys selling tons of vinyl record for $5-20 a pop. So, I stocked up on some Bad Company, Waylon Jennings, and Led Zeppelin. Way cheaper than some of the corporate record stores in the area. What the hell is wrong with that? They also had a bunch of cameras and old gamer systems, of which I just never got into. But, hey, they were obviously sprouting young capitalists. Sure, bearded but so what? They were no signs of politics nor anything subversive, not even any of that moronic heathen drug crap you'd see at a mall record store.
I just don't buy into the idea that any of this is organized, nor subversive, nor anything but kids being kids. And, it all wreaks of when churches and parents all bought into the whole Kiss is "Knights in Satan's Service" bullcrap. Or, any of the millions of other propaganda pointed towards the youth getting involved with sinister plots that have sprung up over the millennia. It's just kids doing something different. Sure, different but the same, just like everything else in history. We used to say the same thing about those heavy metal hippies in the 80's. They all want to be different so they all do the same thing, listen to the same thing, and grow their greasy hair long, and wear black tshirts.
Honestly, I ain't got no dog in this fight. Like I said, I pretty much could care less about what the kids are doing. But, now my curiosity is piqued. Explain how this is detrimental enough to our hobby to keep posting it over and over like a Royal Yacht skip in the groove.
And, also to point it out, that this may all be doing a positive for the whole fashion trend, as I would never have even noticed any of this. Sometimes, if you want to make something popular, then bash it. Maybe I need to get me an Atari and play some Donkey Kong, ha ha.
Umm, Billkay, we are to post to stay focused on the OP, no personal attacks. This is starting to get very un-gentlemanly.
Unless you are intentionally trying to derail this thread.
Unless you are intentionally trying to derail this thread.
This is my favorite Hipster transformation video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en5z-Q4po4M&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en5z-Q4po4M&nohtml5=False
Completely off-topic, but I enjoy two books by N. Katherine Hayles that she has now made freetext on her site:
http://nkhayles.com/cosmic_web.html
http://nkhayles.com/chaos_bound.html
http://nkhayles.com/cosmic_web.html
http://nkhayles.com/chaos_bound.html
Conflict, fighting, pacifists on an online forums, ha ha... where a coward can cower behind a keyboard and use hard words against people they categorically don't like?
Funny.
No, I just don't like it when something gets closer and closer to bullying, harassment, and just plain poor manners. Putting your label of pacifism or PC on it, is just silly.
Funny.
No, I just don't like it when something gets closer and closer to bullying, harassment, and just plain poor manners. Putting your label of pacifism or PC on it, is just silly.
I did not point that phrase at anyone in specific, anyone is free to pick it up and put it on.
And, on a forum, everyone is still just an anonymous being behind an avatar. Except Kevin, we all know that Kevin's posts are really being made by Frank Sinatra.
And, on a forum, everyone is still just an anonymous being behind an avatar. Except Kevin, we all know that Kevin's posts are really being made by Frank Sinatra.
I am not surprised to find highly intelligent women in our pipe smoking community.
Does that statement get me in trouble?
Does that statement get me in trouble?
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