Oldest Tobacco That Exist?

[Cotton1]

Anybody know how old tobacco can be preserved? I like old historical things and decided to do a Google search on the " Oldest Tobacco In Existence" that yielded nothing basically.

I hope there is some old backer from way back still out there but I don't know if that's even possible.

Just a curiosity for me right now. I would think at least it might be possible for tinned tobacco to be around but not sure when tinning started.

Cotton1

 

[Chasing Embers]

There have been threads here of members smoking from tins as far back as the '30s. Some good reviews, some bad. Some blends may be immortal.

 

[Cotton1]

There have been threads here of members smoking from tins as far back as the '30s. Some good reviews, some bad. Some blends may be immortal.

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I am hoping that some exist from the 1800's or later. Molto Dolce or not..

Edit: Also I would love to obtain some tobacco from the 1930's!

 

[Chasing Embers]

I am hoping that some exist from the 1800's or later. Molto Dolce or not..

Edit: Also I would love to obtain some tobacco from the 1930's!

Tin cans were invented in 1810 so I suppose it's possible. These pop up for auction from time to time.



Then there's the case of the 12,000 year old hunting camp in Utah where tobacco seeds were found among the artifacts.

 

[Cotton1]

Tin cans were invented in 1810 so I suppose it's possible. These pop up for auction from time to time.

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Then there's the case of the 12,000 year old hunting camp in Utah where tobacco seeds were found among the artifacts.

What the hell is that in the picture?

 

[Chasing Embers]

What the hell is that in the picture?

An original navy roll wrapped in twine.

 

[Cotton1]

An original navy roll wrapped in twine.

Cool as hell right there! How much do they fetch?

 

[Chasing Embers]

@Cotton1

Here ya go.?

 

[Chasing Embers]

Cool as hell right there! How much do they fetch?

They're quite large, and often go for a couple of hundred.

 

[Cotton1]

They're quite large, and often go for a couple of hundred.

I might be interested...

Gonna check out the video, thanks!

 

[cosmicfolklore]

One of the founders of American Spirit found some rustica in an ancient dig, and is the one accredited with bringing back the rustica strain.
Our museum here has some pottery with tobacco still in it.
But, I’m pretty sure obtaining some of these “oldest” tobaccos would be costly and probably very disappointing to smoke.

I’ve had the honor of trying a few 50+ year old commercial blends that weren’t really all that great. But, it was neat to find that older blends were much stronger in nicotine.
It’s probably safe to say that 20 years is about the peak for tobacco aging. After that, and it’s past it’s prime.

 

[64alex]

If you are talking about just tobacco leaf I think Rustica is the oldest leaf which was used by native Americans and McBaren just released a blend with it which I never tried but which is said being the strongest tobacco blend at least in the Western hemisphere.

If you are talking about the oldest blend in production it could be the SG Groosemoore which should be over 200 years old blend. I have it and love it. While the topping might have remained the same I am questioning if the tobacco remained the same over these 2 centuries.

 

[mingc]

Tin cans were invented in 1810 so I suppose it's possible. These pop up for auction from time to time.

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Then there's the case of the 12,000 year old hunting camp in Utah where tobacco seeds were found among the artifacts.

You should never touch a carrot . . . if you don't know where it's been (with apologies to Ian Dury).

 

[jaytex1969]

Waaay in the back of @cigrmaster 's cellar......

 

[greeneyes]

I have some Falk's Plug Perique (this, but in a canister). When I bought it I entertained the thought of trying it but I have found that certain tobaccos have an ammonia odor when they're stored under certain conditions and it's fairly unpleasant. The Falk's is approximately 100 years old, as the company was purchased early in the 20th century and disappeared. I have some Edgeworth slices from the '30s that dried out and rehydrates just fine. Regardless of the condition of its storage, as time passes the probability of a tobacco becoming unsuitable for consumption increases, at various rates depending on its processing and storage. The ballpark you're eyeballing is likely to provide organic material with relatively low consumer value.

"Fungal ammonia fermentation is a novel dissimilatory metabolic mechanism that supplies energy under anoxic conditions." Fungal Ammonia Fermentation, a Novel Metabolic Mechanism That Couples the Dissimilatory and Assimilatory Pathways of Both Nitrate and Ethanol - https://doi.org/10.1074/jbc.m313761200

 

[PipeIT]

Certainly not the oldest in the world, I have a 1974 Erinmore Cube Cut tin, still vacuum sealed, I plan on smoking.

I’ll let you know how it tastes when I smoke it, which will probably be for the New Year. ??

 

[Lawyer66]

This was rather insightful. Hadn't read of using twine like this before.

 

[aquadoc]

Great story from 1947 about oldest Tobacco

 

[karam]

1. 600 Year Old Mayan Cigars

www.goldnews.com.cy

This could take the cake for smokable (apparently) tobacco found.

 

[mingc]

1. 600 Year Old Mayan Cigars

www.goldnews.com.cy

This could take the cake for smokable (apparently) tobacco found.

You think they had bloom on them? ?