OK Everyone. Enough Is Enough
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I do the breast stroke, you do the backstroke. It makes me happy. You trying to take away my happiness? You a commie or something?
Seriously,
To be more clear: If i should ever need the money I have in my tobaccos, I doubt it will be difficult to unload at a reasonable ROI. I have no intentions of doing so. I think I am okay in that department. One never knows though.
Regarding Precious metals: I have some $37/ounce silver I will sell you at breakeven...
? pounds and pounds of it.....
Well precious metals are about as sound as tobacco. 
I get where you’re coming from I just don’t think my logic would let me go that far.
I get where you’re coming from I just don’t think my logic would let me go that far.
I wonder if I’m still missing something.
I totally get that if I hope to circumvent duty/tax or exceed stated volumes (usually denoting personal use over commercial) when ordering pipe tobacco for delivery between two territories so save money then I run a risk of the delivery being intercepted & lost or I’m made to pay-up. Even if I'm just doing it just to save on repeat delivery costs, its still breaking a rule
None of the above indicates that pipe tobacco is not going to be available, just that loopholes to obtaining cheap/un-taxed tobacco might be closed
Is this the reasons we’re talking about when I see so many posts talking about squirreling away bulk/excess supplies or is there something else?
There's something else.
There is legislation circulating around Congress that would ban any tobacco sales that are not face to face. This not only includes Internet sales, but catalog and phone sales. More states are considering banning any kind of online or mail order tobacco sales. Support for eradicating tobacco use is coming from all across the political spectrum.
Add to that EU countries that have slowly been tightening their regulations regarding fulfilling out of country sales.
While I doubt that there will ever be an all out "prohibition" of tobacco sales, the "death by a thousand cuts" strategy that has been in operation for years will continue to the point that buying tobacco anywhere except from a local B&M will be extremely difficult and nearly amount to the same thing as out and out prohibition. And the B&M's will have to deal with escalating operating costs due to meeting the regulations of an increasingly hostile regulatory environment.
Add to that decreasing tobacco production, decreasing quality in manufacture, continued social pressure against tobacco use, and you have a perfect storm. I don't expect that this will happen next week. But in the not too distant future that could well be the reality. I would be surprised if the party wasn't over before the end of the decade.
Thanks, so people are rarely cellaring for any kind of aging/fermentation process. Many are storing kilo after kilo, pound after pound of the stuff based on availability &/or tax/cost savings they can currently exploit
UPDATE :
My cellar is 5 lbs heavier since this thread. It's a sickness
My cellar is 5 lbs heavier since this thread. It's a sickness
I'm with you, but my stash is only just about...2 pounds (1 kilo) which looks like a lot in a drawer but according to my calculations would last me about 8 months. Numbers are relentless things, they can show the cold hard truth.
The annoying trap here is that I do and don't want to drop a load of money as nothing is future-proof. I can't say that in 2 years from now I won't get bored with it, after all I've started things and spent a load in the past only to let them go after 2-3 years. So that's an argument to ensure NOW for the next 2-3 years.
The other problem is that I know a few blends that I like, but I've seen my own tastes change the more into it and tried new things: I used to only smoke Nightcap, and when I got back into the pipe I loaded on Latakia blends, but now I am gravitating heavily towards VaPers and sweeter blends, so I don't want to load up on Latakia to have it turn to shit in the long run.
The third point is ageing, knowing that VaPers age very well urges me to put a good amount of Va and VaPer flakes and plugs away to age while I smoke through opened tins etc.
There's an answer to it, hoosier's point is very true, and equally valid to Americans and Europeans: you guys have the FDA regulations and non-face to face sales to worry about, we already have extremely diminished cross-border sales in the EU, much higher prices, and inability to get bulk. So I've concluded there is a valid argument to buying a decent amount, my target is to get for 5 years now and see how it goes while my seedlings grow
Bonus funny thing, my wife glanced over my shoulder as I was writing this post, laughed, and then when I changed the 35 years I had at the last row to 15 years she freaked and said "Put it back to 35 I want you around more than 15 years!". If that's not enabling I don't know what is
The annoying trap here is that I do and don't want to drop a load of money as nothing is future-proof. I can't say that in 2 years from now I won't get bored with it, after all I've started things and spent a load in the past only to let them go after 2-3 years. So that's an argument to ensure NOW for the next 2-3 years.
The other problem is that I know a few blends that I like, but I've seen my own tastes change the more into it and tried new things: I used to only smoke Nightcap, and when I got back into the pipe I loaded on Latakia blends, but now I am gravitating heavily towards VaPers and sweeter blends, so I don't want to load up on Latakia to have it turn to shit in the long run.
The third point is ageing, knowing that VaPers age very well urges me to put a good amount of Va and VaPer flakes and plugs away to age while I smoke through opened tins etc.
There's an answer to it, hoosier's point is very true, and equally valid to Americans and Europeans: you guys have the FDA regulations and non-face to face sales to worry about, we already have extremely diminished cross-border sales in the EU, much higher prices, and inability to get bulk. So I've concluded there is a valid argument to buying a decent amount, my target is to get for 5 years now and see how it goes while my seedlings grow
Bonus funny thing, my wife glanced over my shoulder as I was writing this post, laughed, and then when I changed the 35 years I had at the last row to 15 years she freaked and said "Put it back to 35 I want you around more than 15 years!". If that's not enabling I don't know what is
| Weekly smoking (bowls) | 12.5 | |
| Monday | 1 | |
| Tuesday | 1 | |
| Wednesday | 1 | |
| Thursday | 1 | |
| Friday | 1.5 | |
| Saturday | 3.5 | |
| Sunday | 3.5 | |
| Holiday (assume double consumption, assume 5 weeks per year) | 25 | |
| Yearly smoking (bowls) | 775 | |
| Weight in bowl (grams) | 2 | |
| Yearly consumption in grams | 1550 | |
| Yearly consumption in 50g tins | 31.0 | |
| To smoke another 15 years would need | 465 | tins |
This is all crazy talk. It's just pipe tobacco not a 401k.
Think of your children man.
What if the fond memories of dear old dad puffing on his pipe encourage them to pick up a pipe when they get to college to help them concentrate while studying?
With the way things are going all they will have is weed to put in their pipes.
Do you really want them saying things like 'The aroma when dad lit up a bowl of Butternut Burley smelt like Heaven. It would have been nice if he had kept us in mind when tobacco was still cheap and easy to find. Now all we've got is this Chronic Thunderfuck to smoke .... sob'
Is that what you really want Gervais? Off course it's not. Think of the kiddies and stock up while you're still able.
No it's not.
The sickness is with the control freaks who want to run everyone's lives. If it wasn't for them you wouldn't need to be stockpiling tobacco.
When it is outlawed for mail out we will be having burning man type celebrations to trade and barter our stashes away!
Quick everyone go to @sandollars house!
Quick everyone go to @sandollars house!
Much truth to this statement. ^^
At the risk of broaching a sacred political precipice, the Firearms industry claims the single most significant positive action taken in the last 10 years to revive and promote their industry were the viable threats to ban firearms and ammo during the previous Administration. There was at least 1 Firearms manufacturer pulled up from the brink of bankruptcy due to this action.
There was literally a shortage on ammunition because they claimed they couldn't keep up with production and a huge leap in firearms sales and getting a "Deal" off MSRP only happened if you had a good relationship with the shop owner. I remember being put on a waiting list just to be able to buy a brick of .22 caliber rounds for $40 bucks that used to be less than $12.00 prior...
Does any of this sound familiar?
Deja vu:
Déjà vu is the feeling that one has lived through the present situation before. The phrase translates literally as "already seen".
I don't even have a count. My tastes keep changing, so my cellar keeps growing. If I sorted it out and weighed it, I'd probably slow down. I thought I was good for a long time until a secret santa gifted by some HU director's cut and some Kendal Kentucky. And then Hansom Flake. and then SG drops. DANG-IT!
Someday I am going to go through it and put the stuff I moved on from on sale. I think it's partly just the thrill of the chase.
Someday I am going to go through it and put the stuff I moved on from on sale. I think it's partly just the thrill of the chase.
Would no regs prevent me from buying more tobacco than I smoke? No. I'm not making any point, just experiencing a moment of truth. It makes me happy to buy a few tins at a time, so I do. If I had to drive to another state and buy some tobacco in the back room of a hardware store (or something like that) I probably would, as much of a boy scout as I am.
Not so much tobacco, but I just shipped two estate pipes out yesterday. The guy at the post office asked what was in the box. For some reason I said, "collectible wood carvings."
He asked if I wanted extra insurance.
He asked if I wanted extra insurance.
That's what trades are for! If you find something you don't want trade that bad boy!
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