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bigvan

Lifer
Mar 22, 2011
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When reading the posts here I’m often struck by the comments of some of our inexperienced pipesters. Though the majority of these are valid comments and/or good questions, there are quite a few that have me either scratching my head or rolling my eyes towards the heavens. While it’s not my intention to belittle the rookies (after all, we were all rookies once), please allow me to address some of the common themes I’ve noticed in hopes of reducing the amount of needless effluvium.
PLEASE NOTE: I do recognize that individual tastes vary, so this is not my attempt at swaying a personal opinion or preference. However I’ve been smoking and collecting pipes for literally half of my life, I attend a few pipe shows each year and own approximately 80 pipes ranging in value from a few dollars to several hundred, so what follows are my own opinions formed from time, money, and experience. Please feel free to agree, disagree, disregard, etc.
1. Respect the pipe. Learn to smoke a pipe properly. It sounds simple enough, but this a necessary first step. Learn to pack, light, tamp, relight and smoke so that you can smoke an average sized bowl in at least 45 minutes. Any less and you’re going too fast and not getting the most out of the experience. If you can’t finish a bowl all the way to the bottom you’re doing something wrong (there’s a difference between “don’t choose to finish” and “can’t finish”). Everything else is less important.
2. Sometimes details are important, sometimes they’re not. I’ve seen so many posts on topics like briar cake (“Do I have enough? Do I have too much?”), ghosting (“I smoked a latakia blend once and now I’m afraid the pipe is ghosted forever!”), tamping (“Is my tamper wide enough?”), and breaking in a pipe (driving around holding a lit pipe out the window so one wouldn’t “have to” break it in. Where’s the fun in that?) that it seems like some rookies are focused on a minor point of the process and ignoring the big picture (see point #1 above).
3. Your opinions are just as valid as anyone else’s; in fact sometimes more so as you’ve had less time to form biases. However, please know what you’re talking about. In a recent string a commenter claimed that he enjoyed cobs because they gave a neutral smoke to any tobacco. Perhaps he was thinking about meerschaum and typed “cob” instead (we’ve all had temporary brain f*rts) but this is just incorrect.
4. A pipe is not part of a costume (at least not to us). Pictures of your “smoking jacket” or questions about where to find ‘wild and crazy’ colored pipes, or pipes carved into wacky shapes, or pipes carved out of exotic (and sometimes questionable) materials imply that you’re more interested in the IMAGE of pipe smoking than actual pipe smoking (again, see #1 above).
5. Avoid describing a pipe as “a good smoker”. This doesn’t really say anything. If you like a pipe, say specifically what you like; the look, the feel, the engineering, the price, the sentimental value; all are valid descriptors. But “a good smoker” doesn’t really say anything, other than “I like this pipe but can’t state why”.
6. This applies to both rookies and veterans: If a pipe or tobacco brand is out of your budget, don’t dismiss it as being “all hype”, especially if you have no experience with it (remember the fable about the sour grapes?) Likewise (and this applies to me as much as anyone else) don’t dismiss bargain pipes or drugstore blends as being less than acceptable if you’ve never tried them. This is not to say that we must be politically correct and accept all opinions as being “right”, because if everyone is “right”, then nobody is. But you can disagree with an opinion without being dismissive. Personally I’m shopping around for my first Dr. Grabow and plan on trying it out objectively.
7. Finally, challenge your own opinions. Personally I prefer McClelland English blends smoked in a hand-carved, American-made pipe, but I’ll still pick up some Cornell & Diehl blends, or (as mentioned) a Dr. Grabow pipe just so I don’t get stuck in a rut. If you can, attend a pipe show or join a local pipe club or just hang out at a B&M with other pipe guys. There’s no better way to see what else is out there than first hand.

 
Jun 26, 2011
2,011
2
Pacific Northwest USA
Reasonably valid points and observations JJ.
I do feel that your 4th platform is a wee bit on the stilted side of things though.

The history, art and ritual associated with the pipe is filled with the variation of the tools and associated accoutrements of the practice. Smoking jackets and pipe stands, smooth vs rusticated vs painted with day-glo lilies, anatomically correct skulls carved from oak or Rose briar.... it's all a part of the whole.
Agreed, there does seem to be an element that takes up the pipe in an effort to appear cool. Whatever, it's their life.
I'd like to add a #8 to the list.
8. Try to remember when expressing opinions or preferences to phrase such as being your own personal take on matters. Avoid phrasing that implies you speak for all.

 

ejames

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
3,916
24
Great post and a lot of good advice. I would add to number 1--like bigvan says learn how to smoke your pipe but remember it ain't rocket science or brain surgery.Don't make it harder than it is.Don't be afraid to experiment,trying different methods etc. to find what works--for you. On number 4--while I'll never have a smoking jacket,I do kinda get into some of the weird and strange pipes and accessories,such as some of the stuff Trevor Talbert or Stephen Downie make. I make pipe rests from firewood and tampers from pipes. Different strokes....

 

spartan

Lifer
Aug 14, 2011
2,963
7
I'll agree with you on everything but #4
That statement is a tad bit elitest to me. But all your other statements are sound.
If the pipe is deemed ugly by an individual it will most likely not be bought by that individual.

I'd be willing to bet most if not all of your several hundred dollar pipes are damn pretty. :D

 

francois1

Might Stick Around
Jul 21, 2011
92
0
BIGvan good post there is always something to learn that is why i enjoy reading the posts

especially the one on learn how to smoke a pipe every pipe is different

in the experence

david

 

xoibsurferx

Might Stick Around
Oct 30, 2011
72
0
Monroe, NC
I'm a new pipe smoker and these tips are very good. Thank you for posting. One of my questions I haven't gotten around to asking were how long it takes to smoke a full bowl. Yesterday I had a nice pipe smoke in the car and it lasted about an hour. Of course I had a lot of re lights towards the end of the bowl but I had a good 15 minutes of no relights which was great! I really enjoyed it.
Thanks again for posting this!

 

bigvan

Lifer
Mar 22, 2011
2,192
14
xoibsurferx (how does one pronounce that?), never mind the relights. If your smoke lasted an hour then you're doing it right!

 

jpbass

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jul 13, 2011
188
0
Baltimore, MD USA
Number 4 is just being picky and overly serious. Let people have some fun with this forum. If a post about a certain subject matter doesn't interest you, then just don't read it.

 

nemrod

Can't Leave
Apr 28, 2011
337
1
Sweden
1. Fair enough.
2. Beginners can be insecure in what they're doing, especially if they have no point of reference (I have never known anyone, ever, who has smoked a pipe IRL and had absolutely no clue when starting out). Why not help them by giving them a point of reference? They can't possibly know what a cake should be like until they've asked. Maybe the cake thickness actually makes a world of difference? They just don't know. They'll eventually use these points of reference to get started and then with experience build their own preferences and realise it wasn't such a big deal after all.
3. Indeed.
4. I'm sorry, but now it's you making me "roll my eyes towards the heavens". Just because you enjoy dressing the part of an educated pipe smoker doesn't mean you don't enjoy the pipe itself. That's like saying a punk rocker who dresses like one doesn't actually enjoy punk rock music. It's just an incredibly ignorant and elitist statement.
5. A pipe being a good smoker generally means there were no problems with it. I think it's a valid way to express that. For example, I had a Peterson pipe that was dip-stained and tasted terrible the first 20-30 smokes. I expressed that by saying it smoked bad because of the dip-staining. Now that it's broken in and smokes properly I describe it as a good smoker, because that's what it is. If you embellish further, great, but sometimes you don't have time or simply can't be bothered, and most of the time a simple "it's a good smoker" works just fine to get the point across that for you the pipes from that maker, for example, has never had any issues to speak of.
6. True, don't dismiss things before trying or knowing all the facts.
7. Good tip. I just wish there were pipe shows somewhere where I don't have to travel for a full day and pay a months salary to get to.

 

juvat270

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 1, 2011
557
1
Just to add to the list...
Whenever someone post something along the lines of "Just tried (insert name or style of a particular blend)and I really loved it. Can anyone recommend some others that I might like?"
The thread then gets filled with (sometimes rather lengthy) lists of blends. The problem with this is that it seems like a lot of people just immediately click on over to 4noggins or cigars and pipes and just mindlessly copy and paste names of various blends in that style.
That's great and all, but it doesn't really answer the question. Maybe you really have tried all 30 blends that you listed, but I have hard time believing that you found every single one of them amazing. It's much more productive to list 2 or 3 that you really enjoyed and explain why. Not just every single one that have tried, good or bad.

 

bigvan

Lifer
Mar 22, 2011
2,192
14
Ah, #4 seems to be the sticking point, doesn't it?
To me, there's a difference between "Accessories" and "Affectations".
And to use your simile, Nemrod, someone who seems to spend more time/effort on LOOKING like a punk rocker and not as much time LISTENING to punk would be labelled a "poseur". I can't point to any specifics, but that's the feeling I get from some of the comments about pipe affectations. Again, my opinion.
I'm not sure how that's being "elitist", and if I was being "ignorant", what exactly am I ignorant of?

 

pstlpkr

Lifer
Dec 14, 2009
9,694
31
Birmingham, AL
xoibsurferx (how does one pronounce that?)

When I first read it I said (to myself) Huh?

Then (and this may be incorrect) x - Oh - I - Be - Surfer - x

The next thought... Oh! I used to Be a Surfer too.

:D
Good post Bigvan.

Although; I'm not in total agreement with #4. Speaking for myself only.

The smoking jacket is an heirloom, and while it would be fun to wear, I'm a foot taller and correspondingly wider than my Grandfather. So, it's just an heirloom. (and as noted "suitable for framing") Speaking to; choosing ones pipe as an accessory to one's public image; I will definitely choose a pipe that will fit an occasion when my personal presentation (the way I'm dressed) is of import. So, if I'm going to the corner store, I smoke something comfortable and homey. Or, conversely; if I'm going to a wedding, I'll select a pipe that fits the overall visual effect. I don't believe that to be narcissistic... just dressing well. Kind of like choosing between wrist watches. One wouldn't necessarily choose a beat-up Timex when attending the afformentioned wedding, nor would you choose a Movado 'SE Extreme' when you're preparing to lay a concrete extension to your patio.

 

pipetrucker

Part of the Furniture Now
Sep 13, 2010
937
1
Following the white rabbit
Speaking to; choosing ones pipe as an accessory to one's public image; I will definitely choose a pipe that will fit an occasion when my personal presentation (the way I'm dressed) is of import. So, if I'm going to the corner store, I smoke something comfortable and homey. Or, conversely; if I'm going to a wedding, I'll select a pipe that fits the overall visual effect. I don't believe that to be narcissistic... just dressing well. Kind of like choosing between wrist watches. One wouldn't necessarily choose a beat-up Timex when attending the afformentioned wedding, nor would you choose a Movado 'SE Extreme' when you're preparing to lay a concrete extension to your patio.
Well put, Lawrence. I was trying to find an intelligent way to say this very thing and then I got down to your post. I couldn't agree more.
I do think I understand what Van was saying though. There do seem to be a small number of people who get into pipes more for the image than for actually enjoying smoking a pipe. Just my opinion, really, but if that is their thing it really doesn't bother me. We all have our own reasons for taking to a pipe, I suppose.

 

markw4mms

Lifer
Jun 16, 2011
2,176
2
Bremen,GA
Good post, with valid points. I'm far from a noob, but I know that I have been guilty of saying a pipe was a good smoker without really elaborating on it. I guess I was just assuming most of us would understand what generally constitutes the qualities in a pipe that make it a good smoker, (rarely if ever any gurgle, smokes to the bottom without fuss, etc.). I also usually state when making my observations of opinions on someone else's post that it is what I've found to work for me, but their experiences may differ.

 

bigvan

Lifer
Mar 22, 2011
2,192
14
Thanks, pipetrucker. You captured, in one sentence, what I was getting at.

 

hobojoe

Can't Leave
Jun 15, 2011
346
1
Bigvan,

I don't think that you really hit the thing that has Ticked you off.

Has these Forums changed and conversations evolved from what this site was suppose to be about?

Yes, I belive from the small time I have been on here.

I for one have done it. I have also gained knowledge of what I need to enjoy my hobby and smoking.

Sometimes people need to communicate in where they feel comfortable, so there may be a need for a different

forum to post to.

Everyone has a right to post unless Kevin jumps in.

Have a good smoke and how a pipe feels is like saying how your wife,girlfriend or better half feels to

you. It is just good!

Joey

 
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