My Journey into Burley Blends

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BenMN

Lifer
Jun 21, 2023
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As some of you may have recently read in the “Birth Year Dunhill” thread, I was fortunate to bump into my now good friend, Jim (aka @Grangerous) who helped me, after many years to fulfill my dream of owning a birth year (1956) Dunhill. Not only did he assist me in this but in the transaction he surprised me by including a sample of the three tobaccos that are in his regular rotation.

Please note that by choice, I am a Virginia, Vaper and occasionally English blend smoker. But, I have been wanting to branch out and sample more Burley based blends. Jim’s samples fit that to a tee as the three he sent were “quintessential” burley based blends: Granger, Pegasus and Winchester.

Out of respect for his generosity, I wanted to give my meager and humble assessment/review of what I experienced when smoking these blends…. So, here ‘tis….

Granger: A burley based “codger” blend for certain I found this to have a very pleasant room note with a good flavor from the start. I did pick up some sweetness that reminded me of a maple syrup essence but also some woody basics. I did not hit it hard but I got the feeling that if I had, I would have gotten a little tongue bite. I will say that I could notice more nicotine than I am used to but by going slow it was not bad and I really enjoyed the overall experience.

Pegasus: This blend, made by Cornell & Diehl, has multiple burley tobaccos in it and while not as pleasant on the room note as Granger, I still found it pretty good. I did read that it contains some Virginias as well and I could pick up on those pretty quick. It was a cool burn and the tanginess of the Virginias was enjoyable. I found myself smoking it a bit faster at first, but had no sensation of bite. I did have to relight it more often than the Granger, but not a problem. However….. with my hitting it a little faster, I got into deeper waters of nicotine before I knew what I was doing. So, with the head spinning a little, I laid it down and came back to ground zero before relighting and going easy. Smoking it this way, I found it to be very nice, indeed.

Winchester: This one is also made by C & D and is made up of Red Virginia, Burley and Black Cavendish. Again, I liked the room note and fragrance and when I lit it up, I could taste the Va’s and the burley and they all seemed to play well with the Cavendish and each other. I think I learned my lesson on the Pegasus to not go at it like I was “killing snakes” and to approach it slow and easy. It was wise to do this as the nicotine was very much there, but when taken in moderation, I really liked the experience. Burned cool and I tasted more of the syrup, the wood and maybe a nuttiness. Maybe because of my education with the other two, I smoked this with respect and patience. This may have been my favorite of the three.

I have learned that smoking Burleys is a different trip than doing Virginia’s and English blends and once one realizes that, they can really have a lot of fun weaving through the landscape of pipe tobaccos that are out there. My mom always said that as a kid, I would eat anything that was laid on my plate and I wanted to not smoke my pipe with “blinders” on but rather branch out and dabble in all of the offerings out there. I would encourage others to do the same, if they have not already.

Well, if JimInks happens to read this, he will feel no competition whatsoever in these tobacco reviews given my amateurish attempt, but I enjoyed doing it.

I will close by saying thanks again to @Grangerous for sending me the samples to enjoy and for everything else.
Really nice you guys, just top- notch. Stuff like this is Forum at it's best.

Humbly, I submit that Winchester does not contain Burley


 

khiddy

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Really nice you guys, just top- notch. Stuff like this is Forum at it's best.

Humbly, I submit that Winchester does not contain Burley


The consensus is that the Green River Cavendish in the blend is made from Kentucky burley, so that there *is* burley, modified though it may be.
 

BenMN

Lifer
Jun 21, 2023
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The consensus is that the Green River Cavendish in the blend is made from Kentucky burley, so that there *is* burley, modified though it may be.
Respectfully, it is not Green River (Burley) Cavendish, but rather a unique Dominican Cigar Leaf Cavendish. I reached out to J. Reeves for clarification on this. With his permission I quoted his response in the Winchester thread linked above
 

Choatecav

Part of the Furniture Now
Dec 19, 2023
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Respectfully, it is not Green River (Burley) Cavendish, but rather a unique Dominican Cigar Leaf Cavendish. I reached out to J. Reeves for clarification on this. With his permission I quoted his response in the Winchester thread linked above
The depth of tobacco blend knowledge on this forum is both extensive and impressive.

I take full responsibility for any "mis-labeling" of the blend Winchester.

I did just now take a peek in Tobacco Reviews and in their descriptor, they list the tobacco components in this order: "Black Cavendish, Burley and Virginia."

But, that said, I am not positive so I will leave that for those more learned in the matter.
 

khiddy

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Respectfully, it is not Green River (Burley) Cavendish, but rather a unique Dominican Cigar Leaf Cavendish. I reached out to J. Reeves for clarification on this. With his permission I quoted his response in the Winchester thread linked above
Oh! Now I remember reading that (I'd forgotten which blend was being discussed at the time).

Objection withdrawn. ;-)
 

PipeIT

Lifer
Nov 14, 2020
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I believe every Burley lover seriously needs to get a hold of Vincent Manil’s blends.

I have Reserve du Patron and La Brumeuse, these are the only two I’ve smoked and they are a unique/enjoyable smoking experience.

But be warned, they are Bone Dry, so pack slightly tight, and SLOWLY SIP! LOL 😝
 
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sardonicus87

Lifer
Jun 28, 2022
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I have not sampled Semois and I need too; unless what others have said is true… that 5 Brothers is its American equivalent.
Finally trying it now (5 Brothers) and other than the same fine shag type cut as Le Petite Robin... it's really not comparable (in taste) to Semois, at least not to me. There's a few subtleties in the flavor that are similar, but overall flavor is definitely different.

Also worth noting, I think the often talked about nicotine strength of this one might be a bit overstated. Sure, it's going to be a kick in the nuts to someone with minimal/low nicotine tolerance, but I've seen it talked about as if you're going to be shot into outer-space over the nic-hit, and it's definitely not THAT strong.
 
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Grangerous

Lifer
Dec 8, 2020
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Finally trying it now (5 Brothers) and other than the same fine shag type cut as Le Petite Robin... it's really not comparable (in taste) to Semois, at least not to me. There's a few subtleties in the flavor that are similar, but overall flavor is definitely different.

Also worth noting, I think the often talked about nicotine strength of this one might be a bit overstated. Sure, it's going to be a kick in the nuts to someone with minimal/low nicotine tolerance, but I've seen it talked about as if you're going to be shot into outer-space over the nic-hit, and it's definitely not THAT strong.
Thank you for that and yes, the exaggerations are even exaggerated. Like Mixture 79. It’s pouch note is pungent but it doesn’t smoke that way.
 

BenMN

Lifer
Jun 21, 2023
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St. Paul, MN
The depth of tobacco blend knowledge on this forum is both extensive and impressive.

I take full responsibility for any "mis-labeling" of the blend Winchester.

I did just now take a peek in Tobacco Reviews and in their descriptor, they list the tobacco components in this order: "Black Cavendish, Burley and Virginia."

But, that said, I am not positive so I will leave that for those more learned in the matter.
Thanks for your grace. I am not a huge fan of contradicting or correcting people

I found this article on Cavendish useful. It's a big tent
 

Choatecav

Part of the Furniture Now
Dec 19, 2023
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Thanks for your grace. I am not a huge fan of contradicting or correcting people

I found this article on Cavendish useful. It's a big tent
You are so right that it is "a big tent."

I enjoyed the article that you posted the link for. Particularly liked this comment:

"Cavendish is the wild west. Yes it’s a process, but it can refer to any tobacco that has gone through that process, and the degree to which the process is employed can vary."

Very few "pure breds" out there in this pipe journey of ours....