Most Horrifying Painting?
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"Funny, I was just reading the forum rules the other day and it clearly states:
Political Posts Not Allowed
You'd think that after three years, a person would know that."
The self appointed forum policeman speaks yet again :roll:
Funny really because up until a couple of days ago he also broke forum rules with his animated avatar but did anyone complain??? :wink:
Regards,
Jay.
Political Posts Not Allowed
You'd think that after three years, a person would know that."
The self appointed forum policeman speaks yet again :roll:
Funny really because up until a couple of days ago he also broke forum rules with his animated avatar but did anyone complain??? :wink:
Regards,
Jay.
Not saying anything here that hasn't been said to me and others by others to others; were they self-appointed as well, Jay? When someone points out to a new member they haven't been on the group long enough to sell anything yet are they a self-appointed policeman as well, Jay? Or just trying to be helpful in keeping the forum running smooth? And told so by the self-appointed critic of the group, you? I'm just stating the simple rules here, verbatim, but who died and left you boss? Seems YOU are the one trying to play the role of policeman here. And badly at that. You know where the door is if you don't like it. Frankly, I think you need to get off your high horse.
As for my animated avatar, I created that by popular request from other members who thought it a good, funny idea from my many stills, and who were delighted with the burning head, some even saved it, then was told by management they were no longer desired due to bandwidth limitations of some people and I took it right off. The funny thing is the site says you can use gifs and at least two others were running animations too! So I thought I was doing an OK thing. But I assume they too have removed theirs. No harm anyway, making that gif was a lot of work, but at least I learned how to make one. Pretty good first attempt.
Frankly, many thought that animations add a great dimension to the forum and folks ought to maybe get rid of their 56K modems and move up to the 20th century! But that is also why I actually sat down and read the rules the other day to get as better feel for them. I've seen many other political posts here that have been slammed shut for less. So, if rules are to have meaning, then they ought to be adhered to and applied consistently by all without bias, don't you think? Maybe that is part and parcel of why so many long sought after old members have left?
It is because of thoughtlessly itinerant comments such as yours that eventually inevitably derail threads with bickering that such political posts should be refrained from and why I said what I said, because whether meant humorously or not, you know it is going to offend a lot of the members one way or the other. I've given up a lot of things I might say or post here to stay between the lines, Jay, I don't think it unfair that others do any less. But I hope this post is OK with you, from now on I'll check with you first on everything I write.
Well, these ARE really horrible paintings. Id never seen jmatt's, but while the artist clearly had some training, the lack of talent can't be covered up. That's simply a bad painting. Mine is a personal choice for horrible, good ol Adolf in white armor, a horror of propaganda painting. Both are pure kitsch.
Hey I tried with Elvis on black velvet, and even there, I was circumspect, not posting the black velvet Elvis sitting on a couch with Jesus paintings.
And one of Andy's appears to be hanging on a wall next to a table and chairs? Is that restaurant decor?
Jmatt, your picture of the unnamed fellow in the white jersey does have a kind of spookiness to him...pray, don't say it's a picture of yourself :rofl:
Regards,
Jay.
Regards,
Jay.
The majority of all art is to some degree political by nature. Art allows opposition to speak to power. I'm sure there are a few cave paintings out there that were meant to show what a dufus Ug-Ug is at hunting mammoths.
Goya was pinned into working for the Spanish court through the patronage system, which were a sadistic, inbred, mentally ill family that was oblivious to their own issues. Thus, Goya was praised by them, as he depicted them as monsters.
On April 26, 1937, during the Spanish Civil War, Guernica was the scene of the Bombing of Guernica by the Condor Legion of Nazi Germany's Luftwaffe. They practically used a defenseless city full of only the elderly and the very young to practice their bombing skills. The painting was made by Picasso out of outrage at Franco and the Nazis.
Bosch was dealing with aspects of the Church through the eyes of the Cathars. As with all of the great Christian Artists, there is a tinge of heresy and paganism threaded through it. The Church may not seem political today, but back then they were a controlling power.
The robots are obviously dealing with some equality issues.
I have never seen the works that Andy posted, but they are obviously...
So, you can't have art, without some sort of political issue riding shotgun. Unless, you'd like to see a painting of a pie.... "Eat the apple pie dammit, eat it!!"
Goya was pinned into working for the Spanish court through the patronage system, which were a sadistic, inbred, mentally ill family that was oblivious to their own issues. Thus, Goya was praised by them, as he depicted them as monsters.
On April 26, 1937, during the Spanish Civil War, Guernica was the scene of the Bombing of Guernica by the Condor Legion of Nazi Germany's Luftwaffe. They practically used a defenseless city full of only the elderly and the very young to practice their bombing skills. The painting was made by Picasso out of outrage at Franco and the Nazis.
Bosch was dealing with aspects of the Church through the eyes of the Cathars. As with all of the great Christian Artists, there is a tinge of heresy and paganism threaded through it. The Church may not seem political today, but back then they were a controlling power.
The robots are obviously dealing with some equality issues.
I have never seen the works that Andy posted, but they are obviously...
So, you can't have art, without some sort of political issue riding shotgun. Unless, you'd like to see a painting of a pie.... "Eat the apple pie dammit, eat it!!"
Jeez, you'd think you were some kind of art historian, or something! :wink:
I agree with all your points except one: The Catholic Church is every bit as political today as it has ever been. It has simply lost much of its influence with various governments.
I agree with all your points except one: The Catholic Church is every bit as political today as it has ever been. It has simply lost much of its influence with various governments.
What is this? The Rube Goldberg School of Art Theory For The Justification and Rationalization of Internet Posts? So you are saying then that we are free to post unflattering paintings of Mohammad, Hillary Clinton, Obama, or the Queen of England and their Prime Minister as horrifying and ridiculous so long as it can be justified as humorous in intent?
Gottcha. Let me start gathering them up.
Art is an /expressive/ medium of creativity in which through are emoted various interpretive ideas and feelings. While those ideas might also occasionally have political intent, I think it is a l-o-n-g stretch to say that most art is political.
What do I consider political? To me, "political" is taking one side or another for or against persons, acts or issues revolving around the machinations of governance. Not merely stating news of an event. That is History.
As to the Catholic Church, considering that they used to hold sway to life and death, taxation and rule over its subjects at the threat of lethal force, I cannot see how anyone still considers them as political as they were in say 1522.
Gottcha. Let me start gathering them up.
Art is an /expressive/ medium of creativity in which through are emoted various interpretive ideas and feelings. While those ideas might also occasionally have political intent, I think it is a l-o-n-g stretch to say that most art is political.
What do I consider political? To me, "political" is taking one side or another for or against persons, acts or issues revolving around the machinations of governance. Not merely stating news of an event. That is History.
As to the Catholic Church, considering that they used to hold sway to life and death, taxation and rule over its subjects at the threat of lethal force, I cannot see how anyone still considers them as political as they were in say 1522.
"I think it is a l-o-n-g stretch to say that most art is political."
Toob, anyone can and will politicize art if it suits their ends. Look at what happened in Scandinavia when the cartoon of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban appeared.
Twisted minds were able to manipulate what was comedy into an insult with devastating results...because it suited them to do so.
Regards,
Jay.
Toob, anyone can and will politicize art if it suits their ends. Look at what happened in Scandinavia when the cartoon of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban appeared.
Twisted minds were able to manipulate what was comedy into an insult with devastating results...because it suited them to do so.
Regards,
Jay.
Yes, Toob, thank you for your unmitigated assertion on the politics in art. But, as every time I mention art, some layman who has never given much thought to the aesthetics as a branch of philosophy automatically becomes an expert and we spend days playing comment ping pong over the issue, only to have you start giving me my own definitions back to me. :::sigh::: Just google one of our many threads where this has happened. I don't have the time to teach you all of this at the moment.
No, you may not bring current politics into this forum. That is the rule. You do this, and one of us mods is required to shut it down. And, honestly I could care less how YOU define politics.
I'd have to agree about the Catholic Church. I can't think of any way that they currently would have any impact on my life, but I may be missing something.
No, you may not bring current politics into this forum. That is the rule. You do this, and one of us mods is required to shut it down. And, honestly I could care less how YOU define politics.
I'd have to agree about the Catholic Church. I can't think of any way that they currently would have any impact on my life, but I may be missing something.
Well, I suppose I could put it this way. The intent is still there, just the ability is currently lacking. As a parallel (lest the issue of "false equivalencies" rear its head again), think of a man who used to beat his wife, torture his children, and constantly abuse his neighbors. The man is now 90 years old and in a wheelchair, drooling onto his lap robe. He's still a right rotten bastard, he's just powerless to act on it. :D
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