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mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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I agree, tobacco-forward is the ticket. The flavoring should be there to emphasize and sing in harmony, to show off the quality tobacco, to tweak flavors in the tobacco that might otherwise go unnoticed. I don't want to smoke a milkshake or a glass of bourbon. I want those flavors to reveal new dimensions in the flavors of the tobacco itself.
 

dctune

Part of the Furniture Now
Has anyone ever cased with agave or monks fruit? Such natural sugars might expand the flavor spectrum.
Only thing I really know about agave is that I think I collected a bunch in Red Dead Redemption when you go to Mexico. It was either that game or Fallout: New Vegas. Can’t remember now. It’s been a while since I’ve had time to play video games. Oh, and I’ve also seen my wife ruin perfectly good margaritas by turning them blue with what I believe is an agave flavoring.

As for monks fruit… I don’t know any monks. Had a neighbor once who was studying to be a Catholic monk in some order. But then he met a girl, and you know what women to do to our plans. They eventually broke up though, because…and I’m 100% not kidding here…she was a Vatican 1 Catholic, and he was a Vatican 2 Catholic. I’m happily Protestant & Calvinist. (In fact, for the longest time I was the only Calvinist I knew who was Calvinist & not mad about it.?) So I don’t really know too much about why those two were incompatible. He tried explaining it all to me. At any rate, my almost-monk friend never grew any fruit.

Anyway… I totally realize I’m not being helpful here in any tobacco-related sense. I just couldn’t pass up the chance to make jokes. (Unfunny, I know. I’m married, so I’m very much aware that my material is comedically impotent.?)

P.S: I’d like stress that the last parenthetical above is ONLY in reference to comedic material. ?
 
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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The aros I’m enjoying these days, even when they have a stronger tin note of flavoring, tend to hit the palate in a way where, surprisingly, only a hint of that flavor is detected. I find I can actually taste the tobaccos quite well. Which I actually like and prefer. I’m not looking for aros where flavoring overpowers the leaf. Just the opposite, in fact

But I swear I recall being bowled over by the casings and toppings when I initially took up the gentle art.
It's a popular fiction that aromatics are a "beginners" genre of tobaccos. They actually can be a bit tricky to get right. Most goopers smoke with less flavor because they're too moist out of the tin. In cooking terms think of the sauce as being a thin watery broth, and what you want is a reduction. Dry down the tobacco until you find the sweet spot when the flavoring really pops. Aros are not beginner blends.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
Only thing I really know about agave is that I think I collected a bunch in Red Dead Redemption when you go to Mexico. It was either that game or Fallout: New Vegas. Can’t remember now. It’s been a while since I’ve had time to play video games. Oh, and I’ve also seen my wife ruin perfectly good margaritas by turning them blue with what I believe is an agave flavoring.
Well one of them was one of the best games of that generation and the other was an poorly designed mess with enough charm to pull it through to the point where they made an amazing sequel.
 
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andrew l

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Dec 31, 2021
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I forgot to mention coconut sugar as another possible alternative. Casing formulas--as I understand them--are essentially recipes for invert sugar, turning dextrose into a mixture of glucose and fructose. This acts as both a preservative and a humectant with tobacco.

Maybe a better re-stating of my query is whether all natural sugars are subject to invert processing.

Any chemists out there?
 

dctune

Part of the Furniture Now
It's a popular fiction that aromatics are a "beginners" genre of tobaccos. They actually can be a bit tricky to get right. Most goopers smoke with less flavor because they're too moist out of the tin. In cooking terms think of the sauce as being a thin watery broth, and what you want is a reduction. Dry down the tobacco until you find the sweet spot when the flavoring really pops. Aros are not beginner blends.
Comments from @Chasing Embers helped me realize this about aros.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,662
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In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
It's a popular fiction that aromatics are a "beginners" genre of tobaccos. They actually can be a bit tricky to get right. Most goopers smoke with less flavor because they're too moist out of the tin. In cooking terms think of the sauce as being a thin watery broth, and what you want is a reduction. Dry down the tobacco until you find the sweet spot when the flavoring really pops. Aros are not beginner blends.
I think it's the supposed flavor profile. You already know you like chocolate or vanilla. I"d probably smoked the pipe more early on if I tried an English or decent VA.
 
Jun 9, 2018
4,396
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England
Ennerdale is probably my favourite aro but I like a nice rum, whisky or cherry blend as well. The Gawith flavoured twists are mild but definitely worth a try.

In my rotation at the moment I've got Gawith Spirit of Scotland which is a lovely whisky aromatic that I never see mentioned.
 

coys

Can't Leave
Feb 15, 2022
337
789
Missouri
It's a popular fiction that aromatics are a "beginners" genre of tobaccos. They actually can be a bit tricky to get right. Most goopers smoke with less flavor because they're too moist out of the tin. In cooking terms think of the sauce as being a thin watery broth, and what you want is a reduction. Dry down the tobacco until you find the sweet spot when the flavoring really pops. Aros are not beginner blends.
Thank you for that. I am a beginner and have started primarily with aromatics assuming they would be gateways to all the rest, and I don't like the cigarette note or smells that I have sensed from cheaper tobaccos. But so far I end up with just warm air and no taste, and a room note that I don't really sense. I will try drying them out!
 
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Feb 12, 2022
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I prefer the tobacco case with the around flavor as a subtlety. Vanilla Cream Flake is a great example. I'm not an so smoker, mostly VA and VaPers. But occasionally I enjoy a good aro. Dan Tobacco makes some of my favorites, as well as Mac Baren. I also really enjoy the Gawith aros. Took me a few smokes but the Lakeland really grew on me, with a great forward tobacco flavor.
 
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andrew l

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Dec 31, 2021
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Vanilla is likely the most common casing additive. There are alts however. Next time I work with whole leaf am going to experiment with deer tongue (some mix with tobacco but I suspect better & more subtle result in casing) and saffron.

Both flavors close to vanilla but with extra taste dimensions. Maybe someone into casing has already tried these.
 
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Feb 10, 2022
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I just picked up some Troost Special Cavendish which is available here in Spain and I was very pleasantly surprised. The flavor is beautifully balanced with the tobacco flavors from the Virginia based Cavendish.
 

coys

Can't Leave
Feb 15, 2022
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Missouri
I prefer the tobacco case with the around flavor as a subtlety. Vanilla Cream Flake is a great example. I'm not an so smoker, mostly VA and VaPers. But occasionally I enjoy a good aro. Dan Tobacco makes some of my favorites, as well as Mac Baren. I also really enjoy the Gawith aros. Took me a few smokes but the Lakeland really grew on me, with a great forward tobacco flavor.
I think I am I agreement with you if I take your meaning. I like the aroma of vanilla or any of the old traditional “when you think of the smell of a pipe” smells, but I don’t want to smoke that, rather just smell the aroma.

Virginia does all right for me. What is your favorite VaPer?
 
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MRW

Part of the Furniture Now
Jan 6, 2022
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This is probably more of a collection of general musings at this point than a thread post proper. But here goes…

(Apologize in advance for the length.)

I started smoking a pipe in the late 90s, perhaps even 2000. Can’t recall precisely. Hit it for around 9-10 years. Switched to fine-ish cigars for about 3+ years just bc I got hooked on the flavors. Plus, I was in seminary and had a TON of reading to do. When you’ve got 10,000 pages to read every 16 weeks, it helps not having to stop and relight and tamp and fiddle every 10 minutes or so.

Then, sometime around 2012/13, I guess I just gradually quit smoking. I didn’t plan to. It just happened. I remember popping the lid on my humidor one day and realizing I had a box full of $20 sticks drying out. Ashton ESG. Loved those and the VSGs.

This past summer, the pipe started singing its siren song again. And, happily, I succumbed. (Interestingly, during my smoking hiatus, I never stopped considering myself a pipe smoker.)

But this time has been different. For many reasons. But I’ll stick to the topic at hand.

In my prior pipe life, I exclusively smoked aros. No cherries. Nothing fruity/floral. More chocolate, nutty, and black cavendish-infused blends from two local tobacconists in Lexington, KY: Schwab’s Pipes N’ Stuff, and Strauss Tobacconist. My go to blends were two from Schwab’s; Ideal and Ebonknight. And I still enjoy Ideal on rare occasion. Call them up and order some! Today, I’m generally turned off by chocolatey tobacco.

And I never even gave a second thought to what tobaccos were in those blends. I just lifted the lid off the jar, took a whiff, and bought accordingly. I was a noob, and back then had no interest in tins.

Since I’ve taken it back up, I’ve been smoking various Englishes more than anything, and dabbling in some Va and VaPers. My enthusiasm for English is waning. I go through phases.

But lately, I’m navigating toward a select few aromatics. But nothing goopy or overly sweet. Well, except for the tin of Cult Blood Red Moon dad bought me for Christmas.

This kind of brings me to the point of this thread.

The aros I’m enjoying these days, even when they have a stronger tin note of flavoring, tend to hit the palate in a way where, surprisingly, only a hint of that flavor is detected. I find I can actually taste the tobaccos quite well. Which I actually like and prefer. I’m not looking for aros where flavoring overpowers the leaf. Just the opposite, in fact

But I swear I recall being bowled over by the casings and toppings when I initially took up the gentle art.

Even the Cult cherry, while goopy and with a VERY strong tin note, smoked remarkably more tobacco-forward than I expected.

As I type, I’m smoking MacBaren’s Vanilla Cream. Same experience. If somebody handed me a blind bowl of this and asked me to label it, my first thought would not be, “Oh, clearly an aromatic.”

Btw… the aros that I’m smoking lately are 3: MacBaren’s Vanilla Cream, Cult Blood Red Moon, and Bosun Cut Plug. And despite their tin notes, they’re all more tobacco-tasting than I anticipated. And this makes me rather happy. These days, I’m a bigger fan of “tobacco sweet” than I am of “sugar sweet.” I want to taste the tobaccos.

Appreciate any thoughts on this topic. And certainly any suggestions for quality aros that fit the description.
Skipped the read due to the length
 

J-Evverrett

Starting to Get Obsessed
Dec 17, 2021
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I’m firmly of the opinion that aromatic is not a beginner’s genre. I usually recommend old timer burley to new smokers. Unless you’re my wife, in which case, God bless. She decided to take it up recently, and I taught her how the best I could. She only smokes a few bowls a week, and is C&D aro exclusive.
 

rorrer

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 2, 2014
125
1,100
Lockhart, Texas USA
Haven't thought about aromatics in a long while, but I've recently rediscovered some old McClelland's Master Penman and Penman's Choice tins languishing around in my tobacco closet. Think I'm going to pop one open tomorrow and see what I can see. I used to enjoy those quite a bit, but it has been awhile.

Also found some blends from the first tobacconist I ever got to know and who sold me the first pipe I ever bought back in 1986 or so, Joe Milam of Milam Brothers in Roanoke, VA. I remember him like it was yesterday. Lots of history there, though the store is long gone. (OK, it still exists but in a different location with different owners.)

Will report back. :)

C.Rorrer
 
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