Latakia Reversal?

[hauntedmyst]

I'm not much into fine art, but I heard a talk comparing Dali and Picasso as the 2 best painters of the 20th century. One of the speakers greatly favored Dali and said "Dali could paint a Picasso, but Picasso couldn't paint a Dali."

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I'm not much into fine art, but I heard a talk comparing Dali and Picasso as the 2 best painters of the 20th century. One of the speakers greatly favored Dali and said "Dali could paint a Picasso, but Picasso couldn't paint a Dali."

Yeh, the problem is that anyone can talk. But, bring me the ten year olds who can paint like this...

Dali is alright. I wonder if viewers knew that dali's ideals were based upon Freud's interpretations of dreams if that would have an impact on whether they liked them? Dali's idea was that everything has a gender, as in all Romance languages, every noun has a gender. So, everyone knows that a pencil is masculine for various reasons. Put that pencil into a bowl of soup, and you've just painted a pornographic image of fucking. To Dali, it was all fucking. Everything we do is fucking. Me talking to you, is me fucking you. This was the basis of his work. He then went on to make religious works, because the dim witted believed he had turned to God, and his fans would know that he was fucking... religion.

 

[mingc]

Yeh, the problem is that anyone can talk. But, bring me the ten year olds who can paint like this...
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Dali is alright. I wonder if viewers knew that dali's ideals were based upon Freud's interpretations of dreams if that would have an impact on whether they liked them? Dali's idea was that everything has a gender, as in all Romance languages, every noun has a gender. So, everyone knows that a pencil is masculine for various reasons. Put that pencil into a bowl of soup, and you've just painted a pornographic image of fucking. To Dali, it was all fucking. Everything we do is fucking. Me talking to you, is me fucking you. This was the basis of his work. He then went on to make religious works, because the dim witted believed he had turned to God, and his fans would know that he was fucking... religion.

This was about fucking?

 

[cigrmaster]

Here is my favorite artist. His name is Roger Dean and he did all the Yes album covers back in the early 70's. This cover is from the album Relayer.


Here is another pic, not on an album cover just a piece of work he did.

 

[mingc]

Latakia burn-out is easily solved. Just add more Latakia. It's kinda like when your having a bacon and eggs breakfast. If you are anywhere near normal, that bacon will be at least 2/3's gone before you start eating the eggs. And the eggs are good. Eggs usually are. After all, you kind of have to go out of your way to ruin a breakfast egg. But as good as they are, they aren't bacon. So now you're eating eggs but subconsciously reminiscing over the bacon. The joy you had at the start was "This is going to be a great breakfast! What a great way to start the day!" But now you are all like, "This breakfast is just ok. Let's get this damn day over with before someone gets on my last nerve and I end up in a bell tower with a high powered rifle and scope!!!" Then suddenly, another plate of bacon shows up! It's seemingly guiding the warm summer sunshine to your now beaming face. Your hope for the day and your faith in humanity is restored!

That's what adding more Latakia to your blend is like.

This is wonderful but also oddly specific.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

This was about fucking?

Yes, actually specifically fucking. The dripping clocks are about how at the moment of ejaculation, our sense of time is distorted. Read some of his early writings, and writing of the literary surrealists. They were an odd bunch. Dali used to lay out naked in ant beds, because it triggered his... probably too nasty to talk about on here, but when he paints ants, you know it is about the sensations leading up to orgasm. There is a watch with ants on it to the left. Watch some of Dali's films. He was a pretty twisted guy, but people love him.

What did you think this work was about?

 

[cosmicfolklore]

It's funny how latakia leads to art history, ha ha.

 

[Charlie718]

@cosmicfolklore yes it is, I love how almost every thread takes a hard right or left of the track lol.
Keeps the threads fun and alive.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

@cosmicfolklore yes it is, I love how almost every thread takes a hard right or left of the track lol.
Keeps the threads fun and alive.

Many people don't realize this, but Kevin is actually an agent for PBS, so by weaving in little tidbits of art knowledge, guys think they are talking about pipes and tobaccos, but really they are being spoon fed by the Public Broadcasting System into appreciating the arts and culture. It's subversive, but pipes and aesthetics just seems to intermesh like that.

 

[mingc]

Yes, actually specifically fucking. The dripping clocks are about how at the moment of ejaculation, our sense of time is distorted. Read some of his early writings, and writing of the literary surrealists. They were an odd bunch. Dali used to lay out naked in ant beds, because it triggered his... probably too nasty to talk about on here, but when he paints ants, you know it is about the sensations leading up to orgasm. There is a watch with ants on it to the left. Watch some of Dali's films. He was a pretty twisted guy, but people love him.

What did you think this work was about?

I understood that it was a piece of surrealism, ie, a twisted distortion of reality, not something as base or common as sex. I'm a bit disappointed.

 

[anotherbob]

I'm unsure if that is the implication of the thread or not. If it is, I would argue that those who claim this to be the case are absolutely, 110% wrong.

The pinnacle of pipe smoking is smoking a loved blend, in a loved pipe, with a suited technique.

Since blend, pipe and technique are all inherently personal there isn't a objective universal pinnacle of pipe smoking; rather, there are millions and millions of subjective personal pinnacles. Each of these pinnacles is valid.

well in the sense that Virginias are more temperamental. Doesn't mean you're the peak of pipe smoking excellence or anything but it does mean it will teach you skills that translate into any other blend as well. I find burlys require just as deft a hand to smoke great but if I slip up a little bit they're way more forgiving. For instance if they were dogs Va would be a dog with arthritis that nips at you when your hand gets anywhere near one of their aching joints and burly is that same dog years ago when you had to really not know how to pet a dog to get bit. That's how I see it. Though if you know how to pet a dog both dogs will love you all the more for it.

 

[anotherbob]

I started out smoking Virginias, but moved to blends with Latakia as I found them more complex and interesting, although lately I have been going back to Virginias and some aromatics. Kind of a mood thing. Being able to choose from a variety of tobaccos is one of the things that I enjoy about pipe smoking.

Yeah I find the most interesting blends to be the ones I haven't been smoking that much lately. A few months ago it was an aro kick. Now I am at the end of Va kick.

 

[OlJawBone]

Dali paintings being about sex doesnt devalue them to me. Just adds a layer

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I understood that it was a piece of surrealism, ie, a twisted distortion of reality, not something as base or common as sex. I'm a bit disappointed.

I am not sure I would call Dali's work "common sex," ha ha. He was kinda kinky before kinky was a thing. But, that's the beauty of surrealism. He is not appealing to our consciousness with sex, but more subtly it is our unconscious minds that make these links and connections.
You can paint nudity and pornography, but eventually a picture of a naked woman just gets humdrum after a while. A work of surrealism keeps our conscious minds aflutter with all of the symbolisms, but the pornography is happening on an unconscious level.

The synthetic cubism of Picasso is similar, because of their roots in surrealism also, but Picasso was more interested in the machisimo of manhood, a sense of community, and unifying our cultures after WW2. Give me a Picasso bullfight over a Dali burning giraffe any day, because a burning giraffe is obviously about masturbation.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Dali paintings being about sex doesnt devalue them to me. Just adds a layer

Great!!

 

[frozenchurchwarden]

Then I suppose personal subjective taste is the main distinction between my high school ceramics class sculptures and Michelangelo's David, or between a McDonald's burger and a steakhouse ribeye, or a toddler's finger painting and a Picasso, or a bottle of Boone's Farm and an award-winning Bordeaux.

While there are certainly elements of subjectivity involved, there are also objective criteria that are used to critique and analyze art, wine, food, and music.

I'll agree 100% with the "smoke what you like" sentiment, and I enjoy plenty of the cheaper stuff myself, but there is a reason why certain things are almost universally held in higher regard than others.

Yes, these things are all absolutely subjective.

If you're trying to measure the quality of Michelangelo's sculpture on the premise of sculpture as nothing more than a reproduction, then of course the others are inferior, but as soon as you try to quantify "artistic value" you've lost the plot.
The value of almost all art is purely speculative, the exception being people who sell their work based on a common hourly wage.

 

[hauntedmyst]

This was about fucking?

That's a common misconception. It was actually a gag gift to the Anatoly Dyatlov, Deputy chief-engineer of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant back in late 1986. Anatoly and Salvador were rivals in college, always saying they'd be more famous than the other. It came with a card that said "Nice job numbnuts!"

 

[Simmerdown☕️]

There are plenty of Burly-Latakia blends, have you tried any of those?

Yes. And, it’s not that they are horrible. It’s just the component Latakia seems often to overwhelm the blends to my taste. ️

 

[lawdawg]

Yes, these things are all absolutely subjective.

If you're trying to measure the quality of Michelangelo's sculpture on the premise of sculpture as nothing more than a reproduction, then of course the others are inferior, but as soon as you try to quantify "artistic value" you've lost the plot.
The value of almost all art is purely speculative, the exception being people who sell their work based on a common hourly wage.

If the "artistic value" of art is completely subjective, then how do so many works of art hold their value and even appreciate dramatically in value over hundreds of years? Surely the realism style of Rembrandt is completely out of favor in the current art world, yet his paintings are basically priceless, and have proven to retain their value despite the whims and trends of the art world.

The same goes for wine as well, though not over as long a time period as art.

I think calling this stuff "absolutely subjective" is an easy answer, and that the truth is that there is a pretty strong objective element. The essence of each of these types of items that we are discussing (and the value of any one such item compared to another) only appears entirely subjective because its nature is determined by a bunch of small interconnected objective components that are each difficult to ascertain. Certainly there are subjective components, but that is not the whole story.

 

[Sweet Home Alabama]

If the "artistic value" of art is completely subjective, then how do so many works of art hold their value and even appreciate dramatically in value over hundreds of years? Surely the realism style of Rembrandt is completely out of favor in the current art world, yet his paintings are basically priceless, and have proven to retain their value despite the whims and trends of the art world.

The same goes for wine as well, though not over as long a time period as art.

I think calling this stuff "absolutely subjective" is an easy answer, and that the truth is that there is a pretty strong objective element. The essence of each of these types of items that we are discussing (and the value of any one such item compared to another) only appears entirely subjective because its nature is determined by a bunch of small interconnected objective components that are each difficult to ascertain. Certainly there are subjective components, but that is not the whole story.

I do agree somewhat. There is an element of group think and value persuasion . It’s not always an appreciation or even understanding.