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craig61a

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Byronic Slices had more flavor and didn't bite me as badly when I dried it more than I usually dry my tobacco. No comparison to any McClelland I've ever had though. And I can't remember the last time I got tongue burn so badly, and the majority of what I smoke is straight Red VA.

I have found that other than Jupiter Slices, most of the blends I've tried from KBV have been let downs. That said, I fully support him trying new things, especially getting into Virginia blends since he seemed so focused on lightly aromatic or latakia based blends for so long.

I'm glad to see other people have had the same reaction to Byronic Slices, I had honestly held my tongue when I first tried Byronic Slices, and not just because it was burnt to smithereens! I try not to be negative but I was pretty let down after all the hype.

From my perspective it seems a little like karma. he is quick to rag on C&D for their mold issues and their marketing. But the "McClelland-esque" Byronic Slices doesn't come near as close to McClelland tasting as C&D Carolina Red Flake in my opinion.

McClelland has a flavor all its own, and unmistakable. I like C&D Carolina Red Flake, so much so that I have 15 lbs of it. But I wouldn’t say it’s McClelland-like.

Every manufacturer has mold issues. It’s the nature of the beast. C&D has been around a hell of a lot longer than KBV, and works on a scale that is orders of magnitude larger than some guy who just started baking other people’s tobacco a few months ago... ?
 

gamzultovah

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I don’t know anything about KBV, other than what I’ve read here. I do recall a few months ago they were selling stove SG FVF Or some such.

I’ve looked at the site, and there’s not much that appeals to me. There’s a lot of hype on the board and cult like followers... I don’t know if they’re a sponsor.

I think the board used to be a little more objective in reviewing products. Now it seems to lean slightly more towards a platform for hyping the “Freak of the Week”.

Just my opinion...
When they upgraded the platform it definitely brought with it a more youthful clientele. At first I didn’t care for it but now, I find it amusing and entertaining. Besides, we all know who gives honest reviews; and I listen to those voices when it comes to tobacco selection.
 
May 2, 2018
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Hmmm... so is that a bonus? Is the squeeze worth the juice? Asking for a friend. ?
I wouldn’t blow your wad on a purchase, and please don’t expect a McClelland revival. ? But, I’m happy to have grabbed 6 oz and expect it to only improve with age as with most red Virginia. Definitely more than average drying time is needed, but I believe Ken has a winner there IMHO.☕
 
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Well, the hype surrounding his products probably has a lot to do with the scarcity which he builds in. Just like a hyped up sneaker the supply is likely limited by design. I went on his site early Sunday just out of curiosity and I’m sure a number of people felt pressured to buy certain things because they knew they would be out of stock a few hours later.
 

Casual

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Oct 3, 2019
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Well, the hype surrounding his products probably has a lot to do with the scarcity which he builds in. Just like a hyped up sneaker the supply is likely limited by design.

I thought he said his supply was limited by the size of the rusty washtub he uses to mix the blends. :LOL:

There are few goods which provide more profit by selling fewer units than can be produced. And the mark of one of these products is the extremely high price per unit compared to its competition or substitutes. They generally sell at huge prices in boutiques and do not go out of stock.

If a blend sells out almost immediately, or is often out of stock, it’s not priced as high as it could be. If it sells out at a price that’s less than a tin of Capstan Blue, it’s not priced as high as it could be.

If it’s not priced as high as it could be, and still sells out, then it is not maximizing revenue. Byron is actually leaving money on the table. That’s right, I’m saying Ken Byron is actually subsidizing his customers by not raising his prices, quite the opposite of what’s often suggested of these types of producers. Thanks, Ken.

I blame the poor state of economics education for these misunderstandings, but the moral bent of the criticisms is usually more to do with politics, so I won’t go into it.
 
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I thought he said his supply was limited by the size of the rusty washtub he uses to mix the blends. :LOL:

There are few goods which provide more profit by selling fewer units than can be produced. And the mark of one of these products is the extremely high price per unit compared to its competition or substitutes. They generally sell at huge prices in boutiques and do not go out of stock.

If a blend sells out almost immediately, or is often out of stock, it’s not priced as high as it could be. If it sells out at a price that’s less than a tin of Capstan Blue, it’s not priced as high as it could be.

If it’s not priced as high as it could be, and still sells out, then it is not maximizing revenue. Byron is actually leaving money on the table. That’s right, I’m saying Ken Byron is actually subsidizing his customers by not raising his prices, quite the opposite of what’s often suggested of these types of producers. Thanks, Ken.

I blame the poor state of economics education for these misunderstandings, but the moral bent of the criticisms is usually more to do with politics, so I won’t go into it.

Yes, you have a good point about his prices... maybe he’s more into persona than profits.
 
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Or maybe he’s just a community spirited guy who likes the community and hobby. I don’t know. Seems odd to try and find some sort of baser motivation without knowing the guy.

Well, didn’t necessarily mean persona in a bad way, but his use of social media, a certain self referential quality to his ventures, etc., certainly speak to the times we live in.
 
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It’s definitely modern marketing, for sure. Small batch, handcrafted, little guy marketing all the way.

I find it interesting and a bit surprising as I didn’t realize such a market even existed for pipe tobacco. This forum seems to be mostly old timer t
Byronic Slices: overcooked. Bad flavor. Another disappointment.

Let us know how you really feel.
 
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I find it interesting and a bit surprising as I didn’t realize such a market even existed for pipe tobacco. This forum seems to be mostly old timer t


Let us know how you really feel.


Didn’t realize the top portion of my post had a bit of a discarded reply, anyway, was going to say I guess I smoke in a bit of a bubble as I wouldn’t of thought such a market exists in the pipe smoking world. I feel a bit lucky not to run into any pipe smoking people my age, somehow it just doesn’t appeal to me to be in a physical social circle of pipe smokers...but most people in real life tend to annoy me to begin with.
 

rushx9

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It’s definitely modern marketing, for sure. Small batch, handcrafted, little guy marketing all the way.
^This. As someone who has worked in the craft/microbrew industry for the last few years, I see a lot of parallels between his MO and small breweries. While he may be leaving money on the table, he's still profiting and increasing the perception that anything he touches sells out quickly. Long established craft breweries thrive on brand recognition and a handful of well known flagship brews to pull a small chunk of the pie from the national brands, but many micros prefer to constantly make new brews because their market is always looking to try something new. At the bar I recognize the customers that want the brand new one-off hazy ipa that only 36 sixtels were produced total, and the customer that wants Fat Tire. Or a Samuel Smith. Or the guy that's pissed because we don't serve Bud. (Those seem relatively equivalent to the customers for KBV, C&D, Gawith, and Lane, in that order?) The hippest micro breweries claim to not care about those big sales #s because it would mean they have to gear up from a brew pub into a beer factory and possibly pay more for distribution. And many times after paying distributors and buying new equipment, the slight increase in profit margin isn't worth it to lose your image as a micro mini blender that can put your heart and soul into each small batch. If they jacked their price up too much they'd lose the hipster market and the bougie market is a tougher game. Also, by leaving that money on the table you secure your reputation as a producer that doesn't spread yourself too thin. The idea being you're making as much money as you "want to", and don't want to work any harder than you "have to". Being a hit producer is just your ultra cool lifestyle. Hipster economics 101.
 
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