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rushx9

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Didn’t realize the top portion of my post had a bit of a discarded reply, anyway, was going to say I guess I smoke in a bit of a bubble as I wouldn’t of thought such a market exists in the pipe smoking world. I feel a bit lucky not to run into any pipe smoking people my age, somehow it just doesn’t appeal to me to be in a physical social circle of pipe smokers...but most people in real life tend to annoy me to begin with.
I live in a fairly small town, but I've only seen a few older pipe smokers in public in the last several years. Conversely, there are 6 pipe smokers that I know here that are between 20-40 and all of them work in taprooms or breweries. None of them self identify as hipsters, but they(we) would all likely be labeled as such by others. Basically, our head brewer turned us all on to pipe tobacco as being "craft-tobacco". A quick look at reddit and Instagram show that our generation is a fast growing demographic in an industry that's been on the decline for decades. I much prefer the company and wisdom of this forum, but ageing millennials are picking up the banner for pipes the same way they did for beer and vinyl records, so I say more power to them... well, us.
 

SpookedPiper

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Sep 9, 2019
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I recently opened a bad of River of deceit and a bag of pork chops and apple sauce and they smells so similar that I think one of the two is mislabeled. The tobacco's even look identical...maybe one was and extra splash of topping vs the other but it's spot on. If someone else has these two blends can you please compare them?

I enjoyed them and to me they seem like aromatics but there's no goop...so similar to rattrays exotic passion.
 

alaskanpiper

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May 23, 2019
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I recently opened a bad of River of deceit and a bag of pork chops and apple sauce and they smells so similar that I think one of the two is mislabeled. The tobacco's even look identical...maybe one was and extra splash of topping vs the other but it's spot on. If someone else has these two blends can you please compare them?

I enjoyed them and to me they seem like aromatics but there's no goop...so similar to rattrays exotic passion.
They do look and smell quite similar, but slightly different to me. I’ll have to see how they smoke.
 
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doug535

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I recently opened a bad of River of deceit and a bag of pork chops and apple sauce and they smells so similar that I think one of the two is mislabeled. The tobacco's even look identical...maybe one was and extra splash of topping vs the other but it's spot on. If someone else has these two blends can you please compare them?

I enjoyed them and to me they seem like aromatics but there's no goop...so similar to rattrays exotic passion.
Here's what he said on another forum.

"Gotta say I love River of Deceit. Ordered a little more this second time around. Plus, PC&AS must have a decent amount of this in it...smells quite a bit similar...and tastes quite delicious."

River of Deceit was the project to replace the Germain's bulk I was using to make Pork Chops before. I was making a blending tobacco and got sidetracked into a blend.

So you should pick up some of the same flavors. Just add year 2000 crop year matured red virginia, rare perique, and a few other tricks, and 'ta da'.
 

alaskanpiper

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May 23, 2019
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Here's what he said on another forum.

"Gotta say I love River of Deceit. Ordered a little more this second time around. Plus, PC&AS must have a decent amount of this in it...smells quite a bit similar...and tastes quite delicious."

River of Deceit was the project to replace the Germain's bulk I was using to make Pork Chops before. I was making a blending tobacco and got sidetracked into a blend.

So you should pick up some of the same flavors. Just add year 2000 crop year matured red virginia, rare perique, and a few other tricks, and 'ta da'.
Well there you go. Wonder which Germain’s bulk he was attempting to replicate.
 

marlinspike

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I like the Dark Fired Cherry pretty well, but I find leaving it out not just to dry a bit, but to help it "off gas" some of the tartness of the cherry, makes it a far more palatable blend. I have an order of the Byronic Slices incoming.
 
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I live in a fairly small town, but I've only seen a few older pipe smokers in public in the last several years. Conversely, there are 6 pipe smokers that I know here that are between 20-40 and all of them work in taprooms or breweries. None of them self identify as hipsters, but they(we) would all likely be labeled as such by others. Basically, our head brewer turned us all on to pipe tobacco as being "craft-tobacco". A quick look at reddit and Instagram show that our generation is a fast growing demographic in an industry that's been on the decline for decades. I much prefer the company and wisdom of this forum, but ageing millennials are picking up the banner for pipes the same way they did for beer and vinyl records, so I say more power to them... well, us.

Yea, it’s good as it keeps the tobacco available and new things coming, but I personally like the solitude of smoking alone even if in public, although it does mean being a spectacle of sorts.
 

SpookedPiper

Lifer
Sep 9, 2019
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East coast
Here's what he said on another forum.

"Gotta say I love River of Deceit. Ordered a little more this second time around. Plus, PC&AS must have a decent amount of this in it...smells quite a bit similar...and tastes quite delicious."

River of Deceit was the project to replace the Germain's bulk I was using to make Pork Chops before. I was making a blending tobacco and got sidetracked into a blend.

So you should pick up some of the same flavors. Just add year 2000 crop year matured red virginia, rare perique, and a few other tricks, and 'ta da'.
Well that makes some sense out of why they are so very similar.
Thanks
 
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BarrelProof

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^This. As someone who has worked in the craft/microbrew industry for the last few years, I see a lot of parallels between his MO and small breweries. While he may be leaving money on the table, he's still profiting and increasing the perception that anything he touches sells out quickly. Long established craft breweries thrive on brand recognition and a handful of well known flagship brews to pull a small chunk of the pie from the national brands, but many micros prefer to constantly make new brews because their market is always looking to try something new. At the bar I recognize the customers that want the brand new one-off hazy ipa that only 36 sixtels were produced total, and the customer that wants Fat Tire. Or a Samuel Smith. Or the guy that's pissed because we don't serve Bud. (Those seem relatively equivalent to the customers for KBV, C&D, Gawith, and Lane, in that order?) The hippest micro breweries claim to not care about those big sales #s because it would mean they have to gear up from a brew pub into a beer factory and possibly pay more for distribution. And many times after paying distributors and buying new equipment, the slight increase in profit margin isn't worth it to lose your image as a micro mini blender that can put your heart and soul into each small batch. If they jacked their price up too much they'd lose the hipster market and the bougie market is a tougher game. Also, by leaving that money on the table you secure your reputation as a producer that doesn't spread yourself too thin. The idea being you're making as much money as you "want to", and don't want to work any harder than you "have to". Being a hit producer is just your ultra cool lifestyle. Hipster economics 101.


Frustrates the shit out of me to see a craft brewery act like this only to produce another POS hazy. The masters of the craft - Treehouse, Trillium, Monkish, etc., have created a model that others are piggybacking on with substandard offerings. I wonder how long it takes for that aspect to permeate the tobacco world?
 
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If Ken’s stuff takes off, you are going to see some truly terrible bathtub aromatics on Instagram with really great names and free tin stickers.

As far as his names go, I don’t play video games or read comic books, so most are lost on me.

I prefer smoking SG offerings which have stood the test of time, same as with beer, what’s the point of reinventing the wheel when all your doing is chiseling one into the shape of a hexagon?
 
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