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[Sobrbiker]

The End of an Era: STG's Acquisition of Mac Baren and Sutliff Signals Major Industry Consolidation - Tobacco Chronicles: Exploring the Art of Pipe Smoking

STG's acquisition of Mac Baren and Sutliff signals major changes in pipe tobacco industry, with planned closures, brand reductions, and strategic equipment destruction by 2028

tobaccochronicles.com

That article is almost like a nicely presented summary of the two most active threads regarding the acquisition on this forum.

 

[buroak]

I read this article and saw a couple youtube vids saying the same. To clarify, it is being said that it will only be limited to former Dunhill blends. Others have stated that it may be under evaluation for a couple years.

The End of an Era: STG's Acquisition of Mac Baren and Sutliff Signals Major Industry Consolidation - Tobacco Chronicles: Exploring the Art of Pipe Smoking

STG's acquisition of Mac Baren and Sutliff signals major changes in pipe tobacco industry, with planned closures, brand reductions, and strategic equipment destruction by 2028

tobaccochronicles.com

If he cites internal documents, why doesn’t he post them, too? They ain’t exactly the Pentagon Papers.

 

[Zamora]

They'd best never smoke a cigarette then. The nicotine would kill them.


If it doesn't get discontinued. Looks like they're adhering to the removal of flavored tobacco movement. But I do still have several pounds of Black Raspberry put up.

The anti flavored tobacco movement is such bullshit, it wouldn't do shit to cigarettes but would kill cigars and pipe tobacco. People smoked cigarettes before menthol was a thing they'll continue to smoke it after. Plus it's such overreach. I don't care if it makes it more appealing to kids, adults shouldn't be punished for that.

 

[sardonicus87]

The anti flavored tobacco movement is such bullshit, it wouldn't do shit to cigarettes but would kill cigars and pipe tobacco. Plus it's such overreach. I don't care if it makes it more appealing to kids, adults shouldn't be punished for that.

Flavored cigarettes existed when I started smoking at 16. In my state (Alabama), you have to be 19 to buy cigarettes. When I hit 18, I'd hop over the Florida line and buy several cartons to sell to the other 16 year olds and I took orders.

Nobody ever wanted anything other than regular or menthol, and nobody smoked anything other than those when I was 16, other than the one goth girl that smoked clove cigarettes.

Flavor appealing to kids hasn't been a thing in forever with cigarettes. Maybe the case could be made for flavored vapes, as the only people that want tobacco flavored vapes seemed to be the former cigarette smokers from what I could tell.

I don't otherwise buy that whole "flavored tobacco targets kids" argument. And I don't know if that was "big tobacco"'s intent with flavored tobacco, or whether or not it did anything to increase kids smoking.

But these days, "but think of the children" is a bs argument against flavored tobacco, it's anything they can do to pull out of their ass to be anti tobacco, even if it's an outdated bs argument, because people that don't know any better will think that children are clamoring for cigarettes because they're cherry flavored, and they're just not. They're not clamoring for cigarettes at all, and damn sure not pipe tobacco. They might still be clamoring for vapes, because "vaping is way cooler than smoking" and "smoking is disgusting".

 

[Zamora]

Flavored cigarettes existed when I started smoking at 16. In my state (Alabama), you have to be 19 to buy cigarettes. When I hit 18, I'd hop over the Florida line and buy several cartons to sell to the other 16 year olds and I took orders.

Nobody ever wanted anything other than regular or menthol, and nobody smoked anything other than those when I was 16, other than the one goth girl that smoked clove cigarettes.

Flavor appealing to kids hasn't been a thing in forever with cigarettes. Maybe the case could be made for flavored vapes, as the only people that want tobacco flavored vapes seemed to be the former cigarette smokers from what I could tell.

I don't otherwise buy that whole "flavored tobacco targets kids" argument. And I don't know if that was "big tobacco"'s intent with flavored tobacco, or whether or not it did anything to increase kids smoking.

But these days, "but think of the children" is a bs argument against flavored tobacco, it's anything they can do to pull out of their ass to be anti tobacco, even if it's an outdated bs argument, because people that don't know any better will think that children are clamoring for cigarettes because they're cherry flavored, and they're just not. They're not clamoring for cigarettes at all, and damn sure not pipe tobacco. They might still be clamoring for vapes, because "vaping is way cooler than smoking" and "smoking is disgusting".

From what I've seen it's still an argument they use. It's like they think kids are lining up to buy Acid cigars and Blood Red Moon.

 

[sardonicus87]

From what I've seen it's still an argument they use. It's like they think kids are lining up to buy Acid cigars and Blood Red Moon.

Yeah, I know it's an argument they still use, I wasn't saying it wasn't, I was saying the argument itself is bullshit.

Kids smoked because they wanted to smoke, to be cool and fit in or whatever. They didn't see cherry flavored cigarettes and decide to smoke, they saw their friends smoking and smoked what their friends smoked.

Regardless, kids mostly don't smoke anymore anyway, they vape, which further weakens the argument against flavored tobacco.

That's honestly kids' problems these days, they never had to hang out outside of a gas station and offer some skeezy looking dude $5 to go in and buy them cigarettes, so now they all have social anxiety. You think asking the barista for a job application is nerve wracking, HA! Try talking to the dude with dirty hands and one eye who's mumbling to himself and hope he doesn't stab you.

(I'm obviously being facetious with that last paragraph).

 

[Zamora]

Yeah, I know it's an argument they still use, I wasn't saying it wasn't, I was saying the argument itself is bullshit.

Kids smoked because they wanted to smoke, to be cool and fit in or whatever. They didn't see cherry flavored cigarettes and decide to smoke, they saw their friends smoking and smoked what their friends smoked.

Regardless, kids mostly don't smoke anymore anyway, they vape, which further weakens the argument against flavored tobacco.

That's honestly kids' problems these days, they never had to hang out outside of a gas station and offer some skeezy looking dude $5 to go in and buy them cigarettes, so now they all have social anxiety. You think asking the barista for a job application is nerve wracking, HA!

(I'm obviously being facetious with that last paragraph).

Ah I see. Exactly, kids have already moved on passed smoking. Almost as if the anti smoking movement is disingenuous

 

[Chasing Embers]

The anti flavored tobacco movement is such bullshit, it wouldn't do shit to cigarettes but would kill cigars and pipe tobacco. People smoked cigarettes before menthol was a thing they'll continue to smoke it after. Plus it's such overreach. I don't care if it makes it more appealing to kids, adults shouldn't be punished for that.

If they really wanted to, they could extend flavoring bans to Latakia and Perique. I think the object is just to do away with all of it.

 

[Zamora]

If they really wanted to, they could extend flavoring bans to Latakia and Perique. I think the object is just to do away with all of it.

Exactly, and Kentucky. Though they probably don't even know about any of the leaf varieties thank god. Hell even a simple straight VA could be banned since they often have rum topping or casing.

 

[LOREN]

That article is almost like a nicely presented summary of the two most active threads regarding the acquisition on this forum.

Interesting read.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Exactly, and Kentucky. Though they probably don't even know about any of the leaf varieties thank god. Hell even a simple straight VA could be banned since they often have rum topping or casing.

Regular cigarettes as well. Many brands use anise for easier inhalation.

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

Eh, it was a purchase before the hit list came out. Or should I say the very few survivors.

I do enjoy it in the flake form though. I got a bag of RR I may try soon.

I smoke Brunos almost every week or so, preferring the RR form but lately I have come to realization the cut should be a bit rougher, yet both these might benefit from using heavier topping obviously long-term storage doesn't do any good for these tobaccoes

 

[Zamora]

Regular cigarettes as well. Many brands use anise for easier inhalation.

I had no idea

 

[swan]

Sutliff was owned by Mac Baren since 2010, so.....

I am not sure what you mean

 

[Pipke]

But these days, "but think of the children" is a bs argument against flavored tobacco, it's anything they can do to pull out of their ass to be anti tobacco, even if it's an outdated bs argument, because ...

You said it, and I agree. Because it's not about the children. You will lead healthy, happy, well-adjusted lives in accordance with our vision of heaven on Earth.

 

[sablebrush52]

If they really wanted to, they could extend flavoring bans to Latakia and Perique. I think the object is just to do away with all of it.

Latakia, maybe, since it’s smoked and seasoned. Perique is a fermentation process, so I don’t see how it would fall under that category. The threat to Perique is more environmental, plus an avoidance of using it in favor of cheap substitutes.

 

[buroak]

Big apple tobacco interviewed Per Jensen about the inner workings of Mac Baren and the STG purchase... In addition to the smaller players. Really interesting.

Can you provide a link to the interview?

 

[NookersTheCat]

Can you provide a link to the interview?

It's in the general forum

 

[woodsroad]

I am not sure what you mean

That’s ok.

 

[smudgersmissingleg]

That’s ok.

I'm just glad to see that you've finally given up on all that Marxist nonsense and have embraced Capitalism. Great job, mate

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