Just in from STG/MacBaren/Sutliff
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Nope. As far as I know, Altadis is still in business. They acquired Sutliff when they bought Consolidated Cigars, which owned Sutliff at the time.
Sutliff is often listed as "formerly Altadis pipe tobacco" and after the buy, all of the blends listed as Altadis were relisted under the Sutliff label. I still have Altadis Chocolate Truffle jarred from 2007 that is now under the Sutliff list. So it was just a subdivision of the company given back it's original name after the purchase.
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Golden extra my love... I haven't even taken the chance to try burley flake or old dark fired yet. I really had no idea chopping this many mac baren blends was a possibility
All of the debate about STG vs C&D etc is cracking me up. I don't understand how the forums are so divided on this. I was having trouble finding the words. And, I'll probably end up eating crow for putting my opinion out there. I normally try to keep the conversation light. But, here it goes.
I don't think anyone is seriously talking about a full blown boycott of STG pipe tobacco. By that I mean, cutting off all ties with anyone even remotely affiliated with them such as B&M's who sell 1Q. But who do you think needs your money more? The pubically traded STG conglomerate whose profit from the pipe tobacco industry is a drop in the bucket? Or, say, the privately owned Laudisi Enterprises whose annual income is likely estimated at a fraction of a percent of what STG makes in a year?
I can't ask which company has our best interest at heart. Because the bottom dollar is always money; profit. But, which company do you think depends upon the sale of pipe tobacco more? My guess is they are the ones who will care about our interests the most as they are the ones most dependent upon us.
Yes. If a full blown boycott of STG pipe tobacco went down and STG shutdown that sector, we would lose a ton of blends. Almost like we'd be going from nearly 1000 to 14. Sound familiar?
I realize there are most certainly nuances and contradictions that could be picked out in my arguments above. My point is; it's not about boycotting STG. It's about supporting small business when we can. And that's not just buying pipe tobacco from your local B&M. It's buying tobacco that is made by manufacturers that rely on our sales to stay afloat. They are the ones that need our support if we desire any diversity in our hobby.
I don't think anyone is seriously talking about a full blown boycott of STG pipe tobacco. By that I mean, cutting off all ties with anyone even remotely affiliated with them such as B&M's who sell 1Q. But who do you think needs your money more? The pubically traded STG conglomerate whose profit from the pipe tobacco industry is a drop in the bucket? Or, say, the privately owned Laudisi Enterprises whose annual income is likely estimated at a fraction of a percent of what STG makes in a year?
I can't ask which company has our best interest at heart. Because the bottom dollar is always money; profit. But, which company do you think depends upon the sale of pipe tobacco more? My guess is they are the ones who will care about our interests the most as they are the ones most dependent upon us.
Yes. If a full blown boycott of STG pipe tobacco went down and STG shutdown that sector, we would lose a ton of blends. Almost like we'd be going from nearly 1000 to 14. Sound familiar?
I realize there are most certainly nuances and contradictions that could be picked out in my arguments above. My point is; it's not about boycotting STG. It's about supporting small business when we can. And that's not just buying pipe tobacco from your local B&M. It's buying tobacco that is made by manufacturers that rely on our sales to stay afloat. They are the ones that need our support if we desire any diversity in our hobby.
Because the only common personality trait among pipe smokers is arguing.
I knew there was a reason I steered clear of the forums until after the holidays. STG‘s New Year’s resolution is plainly to ruin the world of pipe tobacco.
Keep in mind that Wikipedia isn’t always 100% accurate, but I take your point.
Many of those limited release were regularly available tobacco in Europe (like the rustica or the stockton) not small batches made on purpose, so I guess that the limited run had only something to do FDA.
If they stop making those entirely and Leonard here explained the high volume setup of STG, limited runs of specialties are highly unlikely.
What was the logic in buying Sutliff and MB in the first place?
What was the logic in buying Sutliff and MB in the first place?
Not to get political, but if y’all are so involved in wanting the future of pipe tobacco safe, I’d suggest reminding those that are supposed to represent their constituency of your wishes…
Just a thought. Professional lobbying has become the force it is because we as a whole have let it.
Regarding the video, my takeaway is that it was an elimination of competition move taken as fast as possible by STG because Denmark has pending anti trust laws on the horizon.
Just a thought. Professional lobbying has become the force it is because we as a whole have let it.
Regarding the video, my takeaway is that it was an elimination of competition move taken as fast as possible by STG because Denmark has pending anti trust laws on the horizon.
I support the idea of boycotting STG (and I was already partially doing so) and supporting those who still believe in quality and variety in the production of pipe tobacco, but...
I live in Switzerland where the choice of tobacco is similar to the USA.
However, the majority of smokers are faithful to flavored blends in bags which are also sold in supermarkets and gas stations or sold in bulk which are found in tobacconists and many smoke pipes with 9mm filters from Savinelli, Vauen, Rattray and similar.
Among the best sellers are Amphora Full Aroma, MB Mixture Scottish Blend and Vanilla Loose Cut, or the various Borkum Riff, Skandinavik etc.
Unfortunately I believe that this type of smokers, who are the majority, do not inform themselves on forums, they do not stock up, they just consume what they find.
Those who can no longer buy Amphora will probably simply switch to Scottish Mixture or Borkum Riff.
However, it is always worth supporting those who still believe in it and buying their products to support them and hope that we will still be able to find good tobaccos for us refined enthusiasts.
I live in Switzerland where the choice of tobacco is similar to the USA.
However, the majority of smokers are faithful to flavored blends in bags which are also sold in supermarkets and gas stations or sold in bulk which are found in tobacconists and many smoke pipes with 9mm filters from Savinelli, Vauen, Rattray and similar.
Among the best sellers are Amphora Full Aroma, MB Mixture Scottish Blend and Vanilla Loose Cut, or the various Borkum Riff, Skandinavik etc.
Unfortunately I believe that this type of smokers, who are the majority, do not inform themselves on forums, they do not stock up, they just consume what they find.
Those who can no longer buy Amphora will probably simply switch to Scottish Mixture or Borkum Riff.
However, it is always worth supporting those who still believe in it and buying their products to support them and hope that we will still be able to find good tobaccos for us refined enthusiasts.
Not sure what the type of pipe a person uses dictates their knowledge of what’s going on. I could buy a pipe from an artisan maker but prefer quality machine made pipes by Sav, Peterson, Brebbia, etc and even my corncobs because I don’t treat my pipes as carefully as others.
However, I agree with most of the other parts of your comment.
I didn't mean to make any kind of snobbish remarks about the type of smoker.
I only meant that however laudable the idea of putting pressure on producers may be, the reality is that the majority of pipe smokers do not have this vision of tobacco tasters and collectors of rare artisanal pieces but blissfully consume large-scale production tobaccos with very respectable pipe without worrying too much about what is going on.
For the record, 80% of my pipes are Savinelli ;-)
HH Line was my favorite. Was able to get only a couple tins of Latakia Flake, Burley Flake and Pure VA this morning, but Old Dark Fired is gone everywhere in tin and bulk. What a disaster. Luckily, I still have 10 oz. of it but will now need to ration it out.
You and I will never agree on anything political except this because this is spot on. This is how it’s supposed to work and it doesn’t anymore because we (all of us) let it become what it is and it’s a damn shame.
