James Webb Space Telescope
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Interesting discussion on why intelligent design or "creationism" is actually more likely than the crap public education pushed for decades and still is pushing.
SOL. Radio Carbon dating. Doppler effect. Observations. Tinkerbell. This is a surprise, not a total disproval of anything.
<- stone cold, Richard Dawkins-level atheist here. This thread won't end well, I'm not biting!
It’s going exactly how I imagined it would.
I got shoes older than Creationism.
Talk about an absurd arbitrary construct! Some 19th century Brit cleric adds up the biblical generations and concludes the Earth is 6,000 to 7,000 years old and people just accept it. He didn’t even know what measurement a biblical year is, assuming it to be solar, when that ain’t necessarily so. The mugwhups jumped to accept it uncritically, and a new “certainty” joins fairytale land.
Think the vid I posted would still be of interest. The speakers are an atheist, agnostic, and believer. It's on the long side but interesting if merely from an intellectual perspective. Discusses the mathematical impossibility of the prevailing explanation of our existence.
I won't attempt to articulate the points made by the atheist agnostic and believer in the vid I posted. Give it a shot it really is not preachy or even "creationist" in any sense. Just an interesting discussion on why the prevailing explanation is impossible.
It'd be much better received if you hadn't said "than the crap public education pushed for decades and still is pushing.".
Exactly.Got it. You have faith.
How do you KNOW that you are real and not a hallucination in the mind of a sentient plant on a world a thousand parsecs away?
I agree, but if you watch the vid you may just come to the same conclusion. What we were taught is impossible. The video has 3 extremely intelligent men who have come to that conclusion and explain much better than I can, why they do. They don't agree on what the alternative is.
There is no spoon.
The idea that "creationism" automatically means it's all only around 7000 years old is absurd.
Not only can one have a general belief that God created the cosmos without any limitation on its age, but you can even accept the biblical narrative without any age limitation. It doesn't actually provide sufficient detail to come to that conclusion...and the actual wording in Genesis implies that there were previous epochs.
Not only can one have a general belief that God created the cosmos without any limitation on its age, but you can even accept the biblical narrative without any age limitation. It doesn't actually provide sufficient detail to come to that conclusion...and the actual wording in Genesis implies that there were previous epochs.
I tend to look a bit further than a single video to govern my opinion on the universe as a whole. But I’ll give it a watch.
YTPC taught me this mentality.
We know a tiny fraction of what there is to know, less than a grain of sand on the beaches of our world.
Why be shocked by surprises?
Why be shocked by surprises?
I don't expect anyone to base their opinion solely on this video. That would be quite foolish. However I do believe we can learn things from others that can, while taken with other things we have learned, help us form our opinions about various topics, including this one.
What I don't get is, they're looking across billions of light years of space and taking these pictures (which are a few pixels.) I realize the universe is mostly empty space, but isn't the light they're observing passing through so much space, past so much dark matter, past so many galaxies and black holes, through so many dust clouds, that the signal can only be some warped image of its source? It doesn't matter how good your telescope is if you're observing a flashlight at the bottom of the Marianas Trench, from the surface of the ocean. It's going to look totally warped. How can you draw any conclusions from something that's so far away? These are rhetorical questions. I'm sure the astronomers have answers. Any professional astronomers or astrophysicists on this forum?
Let’s suppose the Lord God Almighty is a teenage Klingon boy assigned by his teacher to conduct a science experiment.
She’s a good teacher, and loans the lad a Creation Generator.
Kaaa-Boooom!
We cannot know where we came from for certain, but we have faith where we’ll go.