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runscott

Lifer
Jun 3, 2020
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Yeah, that ebay photo a little deceptive. I would use some micromesh on the bowl top, than white diamond and wax top blend the stain (taking the black off will lighten the stain some).
Haha. Well, the results are supposed to show in the bottom photo.

I removed all the black residue and stained it, but it was too dark. I took off what I thought was the correct amount of dark stain, re-stained a lighter color, then micromesh'd the rim. I'm okay with it as-is, but will eventually remove all the stain on the rim and start over.

I have no idea how the pipe was in pretty much perfect shape EXCEPT for the rim.
 
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mingc

Lifer
Jun 20, 2019
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I was excited about this 1999 Peterson Limited Edition, but somehow missed from the photos, just how f'd up the rim was. Top pic is 'before', bottom pic shows it after 'clean up'.


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I'm convinced that old codgers should not be allowed any sharp object that can used freehand to ream a pipe. I'm also very glad that B&Ms no longer offer free power-buffing
 

runscott

Lifer
Jun 3, 2020
1,451
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Washington State
I'm convinced that old codgers should not be allowed any sharp object that can used freehand to ream a pipe. I'm also very glad that B&Ms no longer offer free power-buffing
Unfortunately, the power-buffing thing is alive and well with ebay sellers.

Regarding sharp objects, I only use sharp knives to carefully scrape the crust off the rim. I then use B&A briar cleaner and a toothbrush to get off all (or most) of the rest. Sometimes the sharp knife does the job all by itself. Briar is extremely durable, but you have to be able to 'feel' the rim when you put a knife to the black build-up. Some can't. I often use a knife when reaming, but again, you have to be able to feel the briar against the knife. It is beyond me how people over-ream pipes.
 
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bayareabriar

Lifer
May 8, 2019
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I'm convinced that old codgers should not be allowed any sharp object that can used freehand to ream a pipe. I'm also very glad that B&Ms no longer offer free power-buffing
I typically see the back of the bowls burned as well. I’m thinking they can’t see what they are doing. I hope I get to experience that! lol
 
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mingc

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I typically see the back of the bowls burned as well. I’m thinking they can’t see what they are doing. I hope I get to experience that! lol
Yeah, there's something to be said about getting old enough that your eyes grow dim, your teeth fall out, your hands shake, and your pee dribbles onto your shoes. Means you're still alive!
 

ssjones

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A few interesting auctions this afternoon.

I don't see many Comoy's Specimen Straight Grains on Ebay these days. This one looks darn near NOS.

Pardon Our Interruption... - https://www.ebay.com/itm/205535005039

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An unusual Sasieni shape in 8 Dot did well.

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This one went for $100 more than typical for a Four Dot Grosvenor Walnut - I guess the Deadman effect.



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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Treasurepipes had some interesting pipes go off this afternoon.

Swan neck GBD. It's been a long time since I've seen a GBD go over $600


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Wally Frank "Artistocrat" were rumored to have been made by Comoy's. This one sure looks like a 499


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I was watching that swans neck GBD and even put in a bid on it. But it went way beyond what I was willing to pay. It's an outstanding piece.
 

buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
2,233
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NW Missouri
I was watching that swans neck GBD and even put in a bid on it. But it went way beyond what I was willing to pay. It's an outstanding piece.
Yeah, a lot of money for sure. But for a unicorn you pay up or miss out. This was clearly someone's unicorn.
I was well beyond even thinking of bidding on the pipe when it was at ~$390. Thanks to the much-missed misterlowercase, I have my English swan neck - a 1994 Ashton Brindle X - in a size more amenable to my smoking habits.
Treasurepipes had some interesting pipes go off this afternoon.

Swan neck GBD. It's been a long time since I've seen a GBD go over $600


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Wally Frank "Artistocrat" were rumored to have been made by Comoy's. This one sure looks like a 499


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The White Bar does look like a Comoy’s pipe. The stem work also suggests it is old.

It is much easier to be sure when the telltale COM stamp is present. What makes me question this one is the much thinner bar on the stem compared to other White Bars I know were made by Comoy’s.

Another curiosity is the “Aristocrats” stamp. I have never seen that grade/branding in any Wally Frank catalog available to me.
 
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ssjones

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I was well beyond even thinking of bidding on the pipe when it was at ~$390. Thanks to the much-missed misterlowercase, I have my English swan neck - a 1994 Ashton Brindle X - in a size more amenable to my smoking habits.

The White Bar does look like a Comoy’s pipe. The stem work also suggests it is old.

It is much easier to be sure when the telltale COM stamp is present. What makes me question this one is the much thinner bar on the stem compared to other White Bars I know were made by Comoy’s.

Another curiosity is the “Aristocrats” stamp. I have never seen that grade/branding in any Wally Frank catalog available to me.

I'm not sure where I read that the Aristocrat was made by Comoy's. Here's an identical pipe, SP say made by a "notable English marque"


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On another pipe forum, a member contributed:
The reply in that thread is a little misleading. Wally Frank never manufactured pipes. The pipes from the early years are almost exclusively made by Comoy's (I say "almost," but I've never seen one that wasn't).
 
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buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
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I'm not sure where I read that the Aristocrat was made by Comoy's. Here's an identical pipe, SP say made by a "notable English marque"


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On another pipe forum, Jon Guss contributed (I believe this is Jon commenting):
Good catch, Al! I think the pipe in the auction and the pipe SP sold are one and the same. The birdseye on the left side of the bowl and fainter E in “WHITE” look uncannily similar.

I did once think I had found a White Bar made by Loewe. It is a bent bulldog army mount with a vulcanite olive. It looked like the setup on this Loewe Fireside. However, on closer inspection there was Comoy’s old circle “Made in England” stamp on the olive.

Only the much later Jobey-made White Bars are plainly not made by Comoy’s.
 

jguss

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On another pipe forum, Jon Guss contributed (I believe this is Jon commenting):

Twarn't me Al. Offhand I forget who had that forum name, if I ever knew.

On the general topic of this pipe I have a ton of information about Wally Frank and his business and can add a little to this conversation. Wally Frank pipes are a hornet's nest; their name is attached to 181 models listed in the inestimable Who Made That Pipe. Artistrocrats is not one of them; White Bar, however, is. Note in passing that the other manufacturer of a White Bar identified in WMTP besides WF is L&H Stern, and the countries of origin for both makers are listed as the USA and England. Clearly Stern is USA, and at least some if not all of WF's White Bar pipes came from England.

With that broad hint it's easy enough to find proof that again some, if not all, of the Wally Frank White Bar pipes came from England, and more specifically are often stamped London. Here's a link to one sold by Chance Whittamore a while back that has shape number 235 stamped on it: EXCELLENT! COMOY'S MADE WALLY FRANK FULL BENT AMERICAN ENGLISH Estate Pipe MINT | #4705220430 - https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/excellent-comoys-made-wally-frank-4705220430.

Note that shape 235 is listed as a kruger in at least one Comoy shape chart:

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And also note that any number of kruger/oom paul shape pipes stamped with 235 and made by Comoy under one of its many aliases can be readily found. Less persuasive of course, but still worth a glancing comment is that the white bar itself is reminiscent of the early bar utilized by Comoy on its Grand Slam.

So in sum, with all the usual caveats I think it's not unreasonable to suspect that a WF Aristrocrats is a dba for a White Bar and that the WF White Bar is frequently of Comoy manufacture.

As an aside I'll note that the pipe Chance sold said Wally Frank over London. It may be tempting to believe that referred not to the place of manufacture but to Wally Frank's purported London origins. The latter was a blatant lie; Frank was born in NYC and died in Connecticut, and his forbearers were all German on both sides of the family. Moreover the notion that WF had a London location was pure fiction, and meant to cash in on the cachet associated with English products. This entirely baseless London claim was made for the first four years WF was in business but eventually the Feds caught up with old Wally and the FTC slapped him down pretty hard. Other exaggerations so grotesque as to be outright falsehoods were called out too (e.g. that WF made its own pipes). The summary findings are relatively lengthy but the punchline is brief (see below). It is, as you'd expect, a cease-and-decease order. To Wally's discomfiture the proceedings were reported in contemporary trade journals and more embarrassing still in a few public newspapers:

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Twarn't me Al. Offhand I forget who had that forum name, if I ever knew.

On the general topic of this pipe I have a ton of information about Wally Frank and his business and can add a little to this conversation. Wally Frank pipes are a hornet's nest; their name is attached to 181 models listed in the inestimable Who Made That Pipe. Artistrocrats is not one of them; White Bar, however, is. Note in passing that the other manufacturer of a White Bar identified in WMTP besides WF is L&H Stern, and the countries of origin for both makers are listed as the USA and England. Clearly Stern is USA, and at least some if not all of WF's White Bar pipes came from England.

With that broad hint it's easy enough to find proof that again some, if not all, of the Wally Frank White Bar pipes came from England, and more specifically are often stamped London. Here's a link to one sold by Chance Whittamore a while back that has shape number 235 stamped on it: EXCELLENT! COMOY'S MADE WALLY FRANK FULL BENT AMERICAN ENGLISH Estate Pipe MINT | #4705220430 - https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/excellent-comoys-made-wally-frank-4705220430.

Note that shape 235 is listed as a kruger in at least one Comoy shape chart:

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And also note that any number of kruger/oom paul shape pipes stamped with 235 and made by Comoy under one of its many aliases can be readily found. Less persuasive of course, but still worth a glancing comment is that the white bar itself is reminiscent of the early bar utilized by Comoy on its Grand Slam.

So in sum, with all the usual caveats I think it's not unreasonable to suspect that a WF Aristrocrats is a dba for a White Bar and that the WF White Bar is frequently of Comoy manufacture.

As an aside I'll note that the pipe Chance sold said Wally Frank over London. It may be tempting to believe that referred not to the place of manufacture but to Wally Frank's purported London origins. The latter was a blatant lie; Frank was born in NYC and died in Connecticut, and his forbearers were all German on both sides of the family. Moreover the notion that WF had a London location was pure fiction, and meant to cash in on the cachet associated with English products. This entirely baseless London claim was made for the first four years WF was in business but eventually the Feds caught up with old Wally and the FTC slapped him down pretty hard. Other exaggerations so grotesque as to be outright falsehoods were called out too (e.g. that WF made its own pipes). The summary findings are relatively lengthy but the punchline is brief (see below). It is, as you'd expect, a cease-and-decease order. To Wally's discomfiture the proceedings were reported in contemporary trade journals and more embarrassing still in a few public newspapers:

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Then there's only one Jon Guss, edited to correct!
 

BingBong

Lifer
Apr 26, 2024
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Twarn't me Al. Offhand I forget who had that forum name, if I ever knew.

On the general topic of this pipe I have a ton of information about Wally Frank and his business and can add a little to this conversation. Wally Frank pipes are a hornet's nest; their name is attached to 181 models listed in the inestimable Who Made That Pipe. Artistrocrats is not one of them; White Bar, however, is. Note in passing that the other manufacturer of a White Bar identified in WMTP besides WF is L&H Stern, and the countries of origin for both makers are listed as the USA and England. Clearly Stern is USA, and at least some if not all of WF's White Bar pipes came from England.

With that broad hint it's easy enough to find proof that again some, if not all, of the Wally Frank White Bar pipes came from England, and more specifically are often stamped London. Here's a link to one sold by Chance Whittamore a while back that has shape number 235 stamped on it: EXCELLENT! COMOY'S MADE WALLY FRANK FULL BENT AMERICAN ENGLISH Estate Pipe MINT | #4705220430 - https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/excellent-comoys-made-wally-frank-4705220430.

Note that shape 235 is listed as a kruger in at least one Comoy shape chart:

View attachment 401876

And also note that any number of kruger/oom paul shape pipes stamped with 235 and made by Comoy under one of its many aliases can be readily found. Less persuasive of course, but still worth a glancing comment is that the white bar itself is reminiscent of the early bar utilized by Comoy on its Grand Slam.

So in sum, with all the usual caveats I think it's not unreasonable to suspect that a WF Aristrocrats is a dba for a White Bar and that the WF White Bar is frequently of Comoy manufacture.

As an aside I'll note that the pipe Chance sold said Wally Frank over London. It may be tempting to believe that referred not to the place of manufacture but to Wally Frank's purported London origins. The latter was a blatant lie; Frank was born in NYC and died in Connecticut, and his forbearers were all German on both sides of the family. Moreover the notion that WF had a London location was pure fiction, and meant to cash in on the cachet associated with English products. This entirely baseless London claim was made for the first four years WF was in business but eventually the Feds caught up with old Wally and the FTC slapped him down pretty hard. Other exaggerations so grotesque as to be outright falsehoods were called out too (e.g. that WF made its own pipes). The summary findings are relatively lengthy but the punchline is brief (see below). It is, as you'd expect, a cease-and-decease order. To Wally's discomfiture the proceedings were reported in contemporary trade journals and more embarrassing still in a few public newspapers:

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Coo. Reads like a template for the latter-day Astley business.
 

jguss

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Jul 7, 2013
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The systematic misinformation for Astley’s is more subtle and difficult to tease out, but yes, Astley’s origin story is similarly misleading. But this kind of thing was a commonplace in the British pipe & pipe tobacco world and is more the rule than the exception.
 
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