Interesting Completed Ebay Auctions - British Pipes

[runscott]

Rare because according to the " experts" not many pipes in the 600 line were made.
Nice article from Mark Irwin ;

Peterson 608 pipe – Peterson Pipe Notes

petersonpipenotes.org

I have one of those as well, also MII. Unfortunately it has a cracked shank.

 

[georged]

There's a recursive error built into all this history stuff that might or might not be happening right now, as we speak.

Jon G, Jessie, Greeneyes, and RustieP can say anything they want, and no one in the world could prove them wrong.

And, well... power is addictive, and pipe history contains little intrinsic drama.

Just sayin

 

[ssjones]

The Shamrock line did exist in the 50's but production was very low and they were unbanded. That's not to say that absolutely no banded shamrocks exist from the 50's, there was likely a transition in 1950 where some of the banded pipes were still being produced and new COM's were being used, but it wouldn't have lasted for very long. Shamrock's like all other Peterson, can be dated by the COM. Do you have any banded Shamrock's that have Republic COM's? The Shamrock did for a short period have it's very own COM, A Peterson Product of Ireland. It was used in somewhere in the 48-49 time frame, but it is still Pre-Republic. After 49 all peterson Products were stamped Republic of Ireland. I've seen may Republic of Ireland Shamrocks but every one of them was un-banded.

Shamrock's can be split into two distinct categories, 1936(ish)-1949 Pre-Republic and 1950<.
The early PR Shamrocks were produced from 1936-39or40 with one set of shape numbers and very dark stain, sometime around 40 they transitioned to classic range shape numbers that we use today. Around 1947 or 8 they started using a lighter stain on them. At the beginning of the Republic period the Shamrock shape list was dramatically reduced from about 40 shapes to only a handful, they are mostly seen in X150, 107, 999, & 87 there were a few others but they are less common.

The 9BC shape didn't appear until the early 1950's (believe 1953?) and I've owned several banded examples.

 

[runscott]

The 9BC shape didn't appear until the early 1950's (believe 1953?) and I've owned several banded examples.

I think I just stepped into an alternate universe.

 

[RustiePyles CPG]

The 9BC shape didn't appear until the early 1950's (believe 1953?) and I've owned several banded examples.

The 9BC was around as early as 1945.

 

[ssjones]

The 9BC was around as early as 1945.

does anyone have a hallmarked example?

 

[runscott]

...and no one in the world could prove them wrong.

does anyone have a hallmarked example?

Haha. I will have to dig through my Petersons with silver hallmarks between 1940 and 1968.

 

[AroEnglish]

More of the membership here is into artisan made pipes, beginner pipes, cheap pipes, and/or popular mid market pipes.

More for us who follow this thread

 

[ssjones]

Haha. I will have to dig through my Petersons with silver hallmarks between 1940 and 1968.

Well, specifically a 9BC right?

 

[runscott]

Well, specifically a 9BC right?

I thought you were making a joke, since Peterson had no date hallmarks during those years.

 

[ssjones]

I thought you were making a joke, since Peterson had no date hallmarks during those years.

Ah, right, I get jokes! I just don't recall having seen a hallmarked 9BC

 

[runscott]

Ah, right, I get jokes! I just don't recall having seen a hallmarked 9BC

You won't ever see one. Whether they were introduced in the 1940's or 1950's, they were only made during the 'non-hallmark' years (1940-1968). Those years create a PITA for Peterson collectors.

 

[ssjones]

You won't ever see one. Whether they were introduced in the 1940's or 1950's, they were only made during the 'non-hallmark' years (1940-1968). Those years create a PITA for Peterson collectors.

The shape doesn't show in up in catalogs until 1953, so I'll stick with that era (I've stopped saying the 9BC as a pre-Republic shape)

 

[ashdigger]

The shape doesn't show in up in catalogs until 1953, so I'll stick with that era (I've stopped saying the 9BC as a pre-Republic shape)

What about the COM stamping Made in Ireland (circle format) 1945-1947 that’s found on 9BC’s?

 

[ssjones]

What about the COM stamping Made in Ireland (circle format) 1945-1947 that’s found on 9BC’s?

That is what I relied on, but COM's on Petersons are known for being notoriously broad and cannot be used for exact dating. The shape isn't shown until a 1953 catalog appearance, well past the beginning of the Republic era.

 

[ashdigger]

That is what I relied on, but COM's on Petersons are known for being notoriously broad and cannot be used for exact dating. The shape isn't shown until a 1953 catalog appearance, well past the beginning of the Republic era.

 

[orlandofurioso]

Technically yes, but one was not introduced until much later. The London made stamps I have on my comoys are either in the rugby style or as a block under the floral script. I’ve always viewed that phrase (like all CoMs I guess) as more to do with marketing than provenance. This is just my opinion and I am most probably wrong. But that’s ok, that’s how I learn. happy you got that pipe. I’m sure it will smoke excellent.

I'd much like to see them pipes Ahi . Meanwhile I'm confused and I do not have a clue anymore.
What matters more is that is this a very handsome long pipe and I trust it will clean up nicely and smoke fine.
Following George's hilarious and from a historical point of view very apt comment, we both do not claim
a monopoly on wisdom and I like that a lot

 

[orlandofurioso]

I have one of those as well, also MII. Unfortunately it has a cracked shank.

Too bad about the shank Scott. What is MII ? I'm slow, coffee is on

 

[orlandofurioso]

Probably tomorrow my ( Frederick's Era ? ) floral carved Charatan will arrive from Italy.
If so, it took the seller and UPS only two days !!
Cannot wait to see it in the flesh ( briar I mean ) and start working on it.

 

[runscott]

Too bad about the shank Scott. What is MII ? I'm slow, coffee is on

'Made in Ireland' stamp. ...must also put coffee on...