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If we take Loring at his word (in this case, his long and lavishly illustrated 1997 essay "ON DUNHILL TINNED TOBACCO") it sounds like it took more than ten years before the good queen made her debut as Dunhill's principal royal patron.His daughter was crowned june 2 1953.
Ever since tins, pipe packages etc. were badged " by Appointment ... to Her Majesty the Queen ".
A Royal Warrant is probably regulated by law, or is it not ?
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Insofar as I vaguely understand the mysteries and somewhat secretive "regulation" of such things--granting peerages, becoming a knight of the most noble order of the garter, securing places for unborn children at Eton-- Royal Warrants are at least in some part "regulated" by an association of merchants who have them (at least since the mid-19th century). Obviously too the Royal Household itself has the decisive say.
And then not only does the reigning monarch get to give warrants out, but various lesser Royals have the option of favoring their favorites with the right to borrow emblems, like the pretty cool looking heraldic badge of three white ostrich feathers that belongs to the Prince of Wales (and which Dunhill used on quite a lot of merchandise and marketing material during the 1920s).
Actually there's a website, complete with FAQ, that lays the Eleusinian Mysteries of the Royal Warrant bare for all to see (Royal Warrant Holders Association - https://www.royalwarrant.org/). Among the many tidbits on display: only the Monarch decides who may grant a Royal Warrant; there are three grantors today (the Queen, the world's oldest boytoy the Duke of Edinburgh, and the Prince of Wales); grants are subject to review and renewal after five year intervals; if a Royal Warrant is cancelled (as I understand Jeffrey Epstein's was) the grantee has up to a year to remove it from packaging and marketing materials; if the grantor is called to that great throne room in the sky the grantee has up to two years to remove the Royal Warrant from packaging and marketing materials; unlike the Church there is no simony involved: Royal Warrants are free of charge.
The website above belongs to the Association to which guylesss referred. Founded in 1840, it appears to thrive on the exaction of membership and administrative fees, in return for processing paperwork and sponsoring the odd picnic. And I gather they're very odd indeed.
The website above belongs to the Association to which guylesss referred. Founded in 1840, it appears to thrive on the exaction of membership and administrative fees, in return for processing paperwork and sponsoring the odd picnic. And I gather they're very odd indeed.
400 million years of evolution ; what has become of us 
Thank you for posting jguss, how strict could the Dunhill management have been regarding
the Royal Warrant ?
Thank you for posting jguss, how strict could the Dunhill management have been regarding
the Royal Warrant ?
The quick answer is I don't know. My speculation is that holders of Royal Warrants would be reasonably strict in following the rules, since presumably abuse of them would make it unlikely you'd be granted a renewal when the five years was up. Of course the rules posted on the Association's website may have been different in the past. The curious would have to contact them directly to find out. In any case I think a brand trading in part on its affiliation with Royalty would be cautious about alienating them. But again, just speculation.
I have the following packaging that came with a lot purchase. Note the revision code on the bottom left of the back of the pamphlet. Usually, but not with 100 percent certainty, this is a date code.
It appears possible that the warrant was maintained for a significant amount of time after the death of King George VI
Bob
It appears possible that the warrant was maintained for a significant amount of time after the death of King George VI
Bob
It appears that the Philadelphia store only operated from 1960-1967, so this warrant was being used at least 8 years after death. This corroborates Guylesss' post.
I thought the White Spot started in 2013-2014, but I guess not.
Some of these bidders missed the memo about White Spots not holding their value. However a somewhat rare shape (CK became the shape 29). A Ebay newbie put in the max bid, somewhat early.
Some of these bidders missed the memo about White Spots not holding their value. However a somewhat rare shape (CK became the shape 29). A Ebay newbie put in the max bid, somewhat early.
NEW UNSMOKED 2012 DUNHILL BRUYERE CLASSIC AUTHOR English Estate Pipe BOX &SLEEVE | eBay
BRUYERE CLASSIC AUTHOR shaped estate pipe . THIS PIPE IS FANTASTIC! BRUYERE over. DUNHILL'S while on the right is. Markings : On the left of the shank is stamped. This pipe is just waiting to be collected and enjoyed!
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Hi Al,
This now saddens my heart a little.
For such money I truly believe the 2 patent Dead Root H graded ( ascending A - J ) in original case and in fair condition commensurate their age are a bargain.
When memory serves me correctly the onset of the White Spot was 1995.
Someone please stand me corrected when I am mistaken.
Still a nice pipe and preferred shape.
This now saddens my heart a little.
For such money I truly believe the 2 patent Dead Root H graded ( ascending A - J ) in original case and in fair condition commensurate their age are a bargain.
When memory serves me correctly the onset of the White Spot was 1995.
Someone please stand me corrected when I am mistaken.
Still a nice pipe and preferred shape.
Hello Bob,
Are you sure the pamphlet is original to the box ?
I've seen many of those from all periods and they are all printed the 1/62 code .
Is it actually a date code ?
Also have I encountered many 1952-1953 Dunhill pipes in original boxes with "chronologically correct"
Royal Warrants.
Are you sure the pamphlet is original to the box ?
I've seen many of those from all periods and they are all printed the 1/62 code .
Is it actually a date code ?
Also have I encountered many 1952-1953 Dunhill pipes in original boxes with "chronologically correct"
Royal Warrants.
I'm not sure what you are seeking.
I cannot find any definitive web reference as to the year Dunhill dropped their name and became "The White Spot". From memory, I thought it was 2014-2015. On Ebay, I find some 2012 year pipes stamped Dunhill, others The White Spot. 2011's on Ebay all say Dunhill. So 2012 must have been the transition year? And the number of Ebay pipes that don't have a nomemclature picture is MADDENING...
Don't know that at all, but the warrant is on the front of the pamphlet, and the back of the same pamphlet lists the Philadelphia store so it has to be from the early to mid 60's as the store was only open during that period.
This is the warrant for the 'Late King'
Bob
I thought the White Spot started in 2013-2014, but I guess not.
Some of these bidders missed the memo about White Spots not holding their value. However a somewhat rare shape (CK became the shape 29). A Ebay newbie put in the max bid, somewhat early.
NEW UNSMOKED 2012 DUNHILL BRUYERE CLASSIC AUTHOR English Estate Pipe BOX &SLEEVE | eBay
BRUYERE CLASSIC AUTHOR shaped estate pipe . THIS PIPE IS FANTASTIC! BRUYERE over. DUNHILL'S while on the right is. Markings : On the left of the shank is stamped. This pipe is just waiting to be collected and enjoyed!www.ebay.com
You mentioned the memo about the WS pipes not holding their value, but where can I find the memo ?
No memo (I'm not exactly sure where you would find a "memo"), just forum chatter on White Spots. Most Dunhill forum folks don't seem to enjoy them as much as the older pipes. And typically their resale is lower on Ebay, by my experience and observation.
OK, this is nuts. Peterson Supreme's are great pipes, but $648 for a gold band XL90 is very high. The runner up made 13 bids before losing.
VERY MINT Peterson's SUPREME XL90 BENT Irish Estate Pipe HALLMARKED 9K GOLD BAND | eBay
It features a factory 1970 HALLMARKED 9K GOLD BAND! PETERSON'S. PETERSON'S over. All markings are crisp, and the original stem, with its gold P stem mark, is in perfect condition. The interior of the bowl is inPRISTINE condition, with chamber walls that are clean, smooth, and perfectly round.
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That birdseye is better than many Castello Occhio d Pernice graded pipes, and those can go for more $$. If you love amazing birdseye, this pipe has it. I suspect the birdseye was more of a factor than who carved it.OK, this is nuts. Peterson Supreme's are great pipes, but $648 for a gold band XL90 is very high. The runner up made 13 bids before losing.
View attachment 38839VERY MINT Peterson's SUPREME XL90 BENT Irish Estate Pipe HALLMARKED 9K GOLD BAND | eBay
It features a factory 1970 HALLMARKED 9K GOLD BAND! PETERSON'S. PETERSON'S over. All markings are crisp, and the original stem, with its gold P stem mark, is in perfect condition. The interior of the bowl is inPRISTINE condition, with chamber walls that are clean, smooth, and perfectly round.www.ebay.com
This cross-cut is stunning.
I went to eBay, checked the original listing and it looks just as good on the other side. There’s much I’ve likely missed but I don’t remember seeing better birdseye on a British made pipe recently.
As sable said, if birdseye is your thing then it’s not going to get much better in British wood.
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