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According to a story on WWL-TV, his grandparents lived in the 7th Ward in New Orleans.
There's only room for one song about Catholic girls. Out behind the rectory! (I married one)
I've traveled the world as well. I think if an Argentine is telling you that they, and other South Americans call themselves "Americans" it is teaching you something about their perspective and history, which, I humbly submit is one of the benefits of traveling to begin with. But it's an easy detail to overlook when travels for pleasure rather than personal growth.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding your premise. In all of my time in Argentina - not one person referred to themselves as an American. Our government is The United States of America and the people who live there are…. Wait for it… this gets so interesting…Americans. Just as the Country of France has people in it who refer to themselves as… French. The examples go on.
It’s a political shill of late to state that the use of people in the USA who refer to themselves as Americans is some how a false privilege over say Mexicans who refer to themselves as Mexicans, Canadians who refer to themselves as Canadians, Colombians who refer to themselves as Colombians …etc.
To argue otherwise is to adopt the same political argument that some how Latinos should be called LatinX.
Literally, no one I know makes that argument- and that includes the Latinos in my own immediate family and extended family.
In my time in Argentina, with my in-laws and ex-wife's life-long friends and family, as someone trying to understand and assimilate the culture, it was explained to me on many occasions (as I think Alejo hinted at above) that they consider themselves "Americans" and that we here in the USA are "North Americans," or perhaps any other more specific terms (to differentiate Canadians from USA citizens). This is true in many countries. You can call yourself anything you want overseas. I think if someone from Finland referred to their country as Suomi anywhere else, they might not be understood, except perhaps by neighboring countries with knowledge of the meaning and history.
Most of the time, when you're on their soil and you're obviously a foreigner, they might brush it off if they're being nice to you. But when it matters to someone, and they want you to understand, they'll take the time to explain it to you. It's very interesting in the sense that who you or I are, and how we appear to be and are perceived, changes in very subtle ways when we travel. And often the assumptions that we make, often unknowingly, can trigger assumptions in response.
I think everybody on this Earth knows what you think when you say America. I think you don't know what everyone on this Earth thinks when they say America. The Earth is big, and it doesn't revolve around one man, one state, or one country. But that only matters if you care about anything other than yourself, your own culture and borders, or the limitations of your own knowledge. To each their own I suppose.
Yeah... And when someone says Rome I think of Georgia.
And when I hear the name Santa, I think about a one legged Mexican.
And when I hear the name Santa, I think about a one legged Mexican.
Yes, but from an American perspective (see what I did there?) not to mention many other linguistic perspectives, there is only one thing we call ourselves: Americans. And even if there is a broader usage of that word (there is) the primary usage means someone from the US. Francis was the first Argentinian and South American (more broadly), but also the first pope from the Americas. No one is disputing that. But by saying that the new guy is the first American pope, we are using the generally accepted primary usage of that term. There should be no dispute.
A couple screenshots from Wiktionary (which is very balanced and has lots of languages represented):
I grew up in Georgia. I lived in Athens, and dated a girl whose family lived in Athens, Alabama! That was a long car ride.
Yes, but the fellow that replied to Telescopes wasn't (North) American, was he. See what I did there? So you can express surprise at someone from another country making a remark, but if you don't care what anyone in another country thinks it's a moot point, isn't it?
Also? The half-page long Wikipedia screenshot? Was that necessary? Really made a point by showing us your Google results didn't you...
This thread is about the new Pope, not semantics. Please take the arguing elsewhere. I don't want this thread locked.
You know some people will argue if a turd is a turd, I Garronte!
I agree with you - but it is inevitable that a new pope who is the first pope from "America" or the United States of America if you will, LOL, will incite some type of discussion that will at its heart, will devolve into semantic discussions - just because our Americans seem so intent on fighting over the meaning of every single word in use. - Ha, ha. Words - when bandied about in the American media, are hotly debated for not just how they are used, but inflection, context, on and on.
I think it just comes with who we are as Americans. But I agree, it shouldn't. In fact, it is just plain ridiculous to argue over what anyone says on a pipe forum.
I didn’t know there were other countries outside of the United States of America. Godspeed to the new Pope! Make Church Great Again!