H.R. 2339

[brian64]

Logically think about this, Can you buy cigarettes online? Nope. Then why would you be able to buy cigars and pipe tobacco?

I would ask it this way:

Can you buy cigars and pipe tobacco online? Then why would you not be able to buy cigarettes?

Answer: control freaks using children as an excuse as they always do.

Who will save the children from a future run by control freaks?

 

[Kozeman]

I was sitting on the front stoop of my house twenty some odd years ago smoking a cigar. My daughter ran up to me and said, "teacher says that's a drug." I told her that her teacher doesn't get to tell me what to do. I was an adult. I blew some smoke towards her to get her to go away. I have a feeling this house bill is a bit of Karma for me.

 

[smokiespipesmoker123]

“Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”

― Robert A. Heinlein

 

[Chasing Embers]

Burn The Witches!

That includes me you know.

Exotic Orange stash for Life!

You're not wrong.

 

[olkofri]

I was sitting on the front stoop of my house twenty some odd years ago smoking a cigar. My daughter ran up to me and said, "teacher says that's a drug." I told her that her teacher doesn't get to tell me what to do. I was an adult. I blew some smoke towards her to get her to go away. I have a feeling this house bill is a bit of Karma for me.

Nah, it ain't. Good for you, by the way. I woulda done the same.

 

[gervais]

I'm not prepared for this shit. I need more time to stock up, dammit!

 

[BROBS]

Nah, it ain't. Good for you, by the way. I woulda done the same.

you would have blown smoke at your young daughter? good call.

 

[olkofri]

you would have blown smoke at your young daughter? good call.

Indeed. She wouldn't get cancer and develop some character. The one thing the children need to be saved from is the prideful ASSumption that they can lecture their elders and betters.

 

[BROBS]

elder is not necessarily better.

 

[olkofri]

They don't need to know that.

 

[BROBS]

well I wouldn't even blow smoke at my dog.. jus sayin.

 

[olkofri]

well I wouldn't even blow smoke at my dog.. jus sayin.

I wouldn't either. My dog never lectured me!

 

[kschatey]

Looks like it passed:

Bill Number Status Full Text Proceedings H. Res. 866 Status Text View Details Time Activity 2:45:13 P.M. Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. 2:45:11 P.M. On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 210 - 200 (Roll no. 75). 2:38:48 P.M. On ordering the previous question Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 224 - 189 (Roll no. 74). 2:02:45 P.M. Considered as unfinished business. H. Res. 866 — "Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 2339) to amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act with respect to the sale and marketing of tobacco products, and for other purposes." 1:06:26 P.M. POSTPONED PROCEEDINGS - At the conclusion of debate on H. Res. 866, the Chair put the question on ordering the previous question and by voice vote, announced that the ayes had prevailed. Mr. Burgess demanded the yeas and nays and the Chair postponed further proceedings on the question on ordering the previous question until a time to be announced. 12:20:57 P.M. DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H. Res. 866. 12:19:22 P.M. Considered as privileged matter. H. Res. 866 — "Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 2339) to amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act with respect to the sale and marketing of tobacco products, and for other purposes."

 

[Bowie]

Looks like it passed:

Bill Number Status Full Text Proceedings H. Res. 866 Status Text View Details Time Activity 2:45:13 P.M. Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. 2:45:11 P.M. On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 210 - 200 (Roll no. 75). 2:38:48 P.M. On ordering the previous question Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 224 - 189 (Roll no. 74). 2:02:45 P.M. Considered as unfinished business. H. Res. 866 — "Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 2339) to amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act with respect to the sale and marketing of tobacco products, and for other purposes." 1:06:26 P.M. POSTPONED PROCEEDINGS - At the conclusion of debate on H. Res. 866, the Chair put the question on ordering the previous question and by voice vote, announced that the ayes had prevailed. Mr. Burgess demanded the yeas and nays and the Chair postponed further proceedings on the question on ordering the previous question until a time to be announced. 12:20:57 P.M. DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H. Res. 866. 12:19:22 P.M. Considered as privileged matter. H. Res. 866 — "Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 2339) to amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act with respect to the sale and marketing of tobacco products, and for other purposes."

Incorrect. The House voted to proceed with general debate, likely tomorrow. Cue to 27:55 at this C-SPAN video for explanation. Cue to 28:20 for some commentary on the bill.

EDIT: Select "Watch From Beginning Tab" for video.

House Session, Part 2

 

[Kozeman]

So,,, As a hypothetical situation: Say they ban internet sales. Couldn't a company have all their stock catalog on line and then still take orders over the phone. Is it strictly the financial transaction over the internet that is being banned?

 

[BROBS]

Nope. It’s all non face to face transactions.

 

[brian64]

The one thing the children need to be saved from is the prideful ASSumption that they can lecture their elders and betters.

 

[Kozeman]

Nope. It’s all non face to face transactions.

Ahhhhh. And then they will lament that they missed the "Pipe Show Loophole". Then a registration of each pipe. And then no pipe that holds more than one gram. Sounds familiar.

 

[briarbuck]

One more load is on the way from Esteval's. That brings the cellar to over 150 lbs. I fight these fights against "the man" in my own way.

#winning

 

[oldgeezersmoker]

I would ask it this way:

Can you buy cigars and pipe tobacco online? Then why would you not be able to buy cigarettes?

Answer: control freaks using children as an excuse as they always do.

Who will save the children from a future run by control freaks?

There was (is) a flat prohibition on shipping cigarettes by mail across state lines foe decades before the present “save the children “ push. For a relatively brief period of time, sellers on tribal reservations got around this by using the internet and UPS or FedEx. That “loophole” was closed over a decade ago as I recall. I used to smoke English Ovals occasionally and got them this way. The industry did not oppose the Federal legislation that drove these sellers out of business.