The house votes tomorrow on H.R. 2339, which would ban online sales of all tobacco products, as well as ban all “flavored” tobacco products. FML... 
H.R. 2339
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The great thing about divided partisan government, they can't accomplish anything....
I wouldn't sweat this... its going nowhere.. not this year..
I wouldn't sweat this... its going nowhere.. not this year..
I hope you’re right!!!
I wish I shared your confidence in that outcome right now. You are probably correct, but I will not be surprised if it actually passes and gets signed.
Sad day when Captain Black Grape becomes the new Penzance...
Although there is an exception for cigars, I notice that the exception only applies to cigars priced $12 or more (after "discounts or coupons"), with an annual increase tied to the Consumer Price Index. I know nothing about cigar quality or what the impact of the loss of online sales of <$12 cigars would be.
I think William D. Gairdner needs to make a correction to The Great Divide: anti-tobacco measures is the one issue where both the left and the right seem to be in full agreement.
Who's already hitting SPC in a panick?
Who's already hitting SPC in a panick?
I am hoping pipe smokers are not screwed but it wouldn't surprise me if they were. If it does pass..............pssst, you buddy I have some tobacco I can ship you.
This Bill is a perfect opportunity for “bipartisan support” to work against a demonized industry Just as Congress leaves town and the consultant class is telling Trump he needs to do something to help with suburban mothers voting in swing states. And if Congress doesn’t act this year, many state legislatures will. Already, the list of states where at least P&C won’t ship to has grown from Washington state only just a few years to now include Utah, South Dakota, and Maryland.
For all the fear, uncertainty and doubt that has been sown by the intervention of the FDA, I firmly believe that if someone were to write, say in 2023 or so, a history of pipe tobacco availability, they would have to conclude that requirements to limit sales to face to face transactions had a much larger impact than anything the FDA did.
For those of you in states that can't receive online sales, did availability at local gas stations and drug stores increase?
I don’t live in WA but when I was there the tobacco selection was pretty abysmal. Also a tin was like $30-40 after the taxes.
Given the bill is 99% sponsored by Democrats only I don't believe it will make it out of the Senate. I doubt Mitch McConnell will bring it up for a vote anytime soon, if ever.
I guess it all depends on the current mood then. Now that the circus is over, maybe they wanna go through the charade of bridging the gap and being friends again.
I saw somewhere online that cheap roll your own cigarette tobacco is branded as pipe tobacco as a loop hole. I’m assuming not exempting pipe tobacco is to close this.
The days of Congress agreeing anything are past and remote and bipartisanship is an antiquated term in the current era.
Besides, this issue is magnitudes less urgent than other topics. If I’m not mistaken there’s a new food fight over how much money to spend on corona virus protocols and an election to obsess over, etc.
Panic is premature IMHO.
Besides, this issue is magnitudes less urgent than other topics. If I’m not mistaken there’s a new food fight over how much money to spend on corona virus protocols and an election to obsess over, etc.
Panic is premature IMHO.
Circus and theater are good words.
Theater because the vast majority of what goes on publicly in D.C. is theater...a show for the masses.
And circus because most of the performers are clowns and freaks.
There is still plenty of "bipartisanship" when it comes to the truly significant issues. It's all calculated in advance and certain performers are allowed to take certain positions on things in order to keep up appearances.
But nothing that really matters is left to chance. And whenever it's necessary, most of those clowns can be controlled by all the dirt their masters have on them.
Does this particular tobacco bill really matter? I wouldn't think so in the bigger scheme of things...but eventually it will happen.
For the time being at least it is encouraging to know it's actually not a bipartisan thing.
There is one key take away from the bill.
Increases the user fees that the FDA collects from manufacturers and importers
Always about the money. Always.
Increases the user fees that the FDA collects from manufacturers and importers
Always about the money. Always.
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