The sale of unpasteurized milk is illegal in the United States. Always thought the same was true in the UK, but a quick search shows me I was wrong on that.
Got Milk? Apparently Not
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Wow Hugo, I never knew that!
I do know our Government disapproves of unpasteurised milk over here to the point that it can now only be bought directly from the farmer, shops are no longer allowed to stock it.
If memory serves, unpasteurised milk had a green aluminium top, full cream a blue top (my preferred choice) and semi skimmed has a red top. Gold top lidded milk was the super creamy Guernsey/Jersey milk....a much enjoyed treat as a kid on my cornflakes. I don't think 'gold top' is available anymore which is a shame.
Back in the 70's our entire family stayed in a croft on Fair Isle (tiny island twixt the Shetland & Orkney Iles) for a whole month (it was serialised in Father's newspaper) and our milk (unpasteurised of course) was delivered in any old bottle they could find, more often than not an old whisky bottle!.
Regards,
Jay.
Oh, and it's a bit of an oversimplification...laws regarding its sale can vary state by state, but it cannot be sold into interstate commerce, unless the laws have changed since I was young, which is a definite maybe
A whiskey bottle full of milk would be an interesting experience!
Is "raw milk" the same as unpasteurized? If so, it seems to be for sale in California.
I use whole milk for the froth and foam for my cappuccini, and about once a week, milk and cookies when I wake up way too early.
I had to look up Fair Isle, as I'd never heard of it................ Looks to be a fantastic place to spend some time. My kind of place, and it's going on my bucket list of places to visit............
Thanks- I learn something new everyday here!!!
US law must have changed or be state by state. I’ve been buying it for some time. I don’t wish to ever have to drink any other milk than this. It’s 3% (whole), local / fresh/ grass fed,A2 genetics and unpasteurized (raw). It is truly what milk is supposed to taste like. I feel pretty great after a glass or two. This brand is also made on a certified biodynamic farm, which is an even harder certification to get than Organic. I feel lucky to have access to this - biodynamic farms are not dime-a-dozen.
I would walk up to someone trying to get in the way of my Captain Crunch and milk and beat them with the Captain. I eat maybe 2 boxes a year and only drink milk with cereal.
I grew up being told if I drink my milk I will grow to be tall and healthy. I grew to 6'4" and played tons of sports. After practice I would guzzle glasses of milk and loved it. I also loved my coffee milk and chocolate milk. I would still drink lots of milk today but my doctor says I can't. She even bitches at me for using half and half in my coffee. I refuse to give up my coffee the way I like it. I don't start a single day without it and if it kills me a few years early I don't give a shit. My sig tag says what I think about life.
I grew up being told if I drink my milk I will grow to be tall and healthy. I grew to 6'4" and played tons of sports. After practice I would guzzle glasses of milk and loved it. I also loved my coffee milk and chocolate milk. I would still drink lots of milk today but my doctor says I can't. She even bitches at me for using half and half in my coffee. I refuse to give up my coffee the way I like it. I don't start a single day without it and if it kills me a few years early I don't give a shit. My sig tag says what I think about life.
Beef, for a twelve year old (as I was then) it was the adventure of my life...so much to explore. I even found the remains of a German WWII bomber that crash landed back in the day.
We stayed at a croft called Setter Croft. I Googled it and it's still there but slightly bigger than I remember it.
BTW, Fair Isle is famous for its unique style of knitwear.
Regards,
Jay.
My point was to be wary when consensus is proffered in lieu of the work having actually been done and rigorously interpreted.
Sadly I’ve seen far more people getting ahead in academia by jumping on the bandwagon of whatever research is currently “hot” because that’s where the grants are.
About 10 years ago I was on the industry side of a industry/academia research project. The research lead said in a meeting “We’ll research whatever you want if you’re paying”. There’s no shortage of mercenaries in academia.
Yup.
In theory, total objectivity by all concerned makes for the best science.
In practice, humans will always human, so objectivity and honesty get ground away over time.
My dad was a professor, my kid is a working quantum physicist. Both described to me at some length how distorted things invariably become over time---even in academia---when significant money is involved.
Not to mention outright James Bond stuff when the subject is strategically important.
My kid actually worked with the following guy in a significant way:
Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases
The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.
I asked him after the story hit the news if he was as evil and traitorous as it appeared. Did he actually---literally---install spies in one of America's most secret research programs?
An unequivocal "yes" was his answer. And it was all about... you guessed it... money.
My point in mentioning this is if things like THAT ^^^^ can be corrupted, "street level" issues like milk processing claims certainly can.
Alzheimer's research is another big one, several years of medical practice and research have been based on intentionally falsified study results.Yup.
In theory, total objectivity by all concerned makes for the best science.
In practice, humans will always human, so objectivity and honesty get ground away over time.
My dad was a professor, my kid is a working quantum physicist. Both described to me at some length how distorted things invariably become over time---even in academia---when significant money is involved.
Not to mention outright James Bond stuff when the subject is strategically important.
My kid actually worked with the following guy in a significant way:
Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases
The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.www.justice.gov
I asked him after the story hit the news if he was as evil and traitorous as it appeared. Did he actually---literally---install spies in one of America's most secret research programs?
An unequivocal "yes" was his answer. And it was all about... you guessed it... money.
My point in mentioning this is if things like THAT ^^^^ can be corrupted, "street level" issues like milk processing claims certainly can.
Was Key Alzheimer’s Research Manipulated?
For more than 15 years, much of the Alzheimer’s Disease establishment has focused its attention—and millions of research dollars—on the theory that the disease primarily is caused by the build-up of plaque, called amyloid beta, in the brain. But what if that theory is based on flawed data?
www.forbes.com
And then there's cheese...
"I know! Let's squeeze the hangy-down thing on that cow, put whatever comes out into a vat, and then let it rot for a few months in that cave over there... and then eat it!"
MMMMmmmmmmmm...
Ooglogg, you're the smallest, so you go first.
I’m older than attention deficit syndrome.
Still today, the Amish don’t suffer from it.
In 1964 if any of the 33 of us little hillbillies had any symptoms of not being able to mind our first grade teacher she’d have beat our ass until we sniffled then slammed us down in our chair like she did Samuel David Anderson.
After Miss Anna Lee spanked S D Anderson just one time, the rest of us paid attention to her, we surely did.
I can’t remember ever seeing one other child spanked.
Because, we knew it would happen.
Every one of us got a cold half pint of milk at lunch too, and all the peanut butter and white bread we wanted free.
Allergies to peanuts must have been years in the future, or we’d have died in 1964.
Still today, the Amish don’t suffer from it.
In 1964 if any of the 33 of us little hillbillies had any symptoms of not being able to mind our first grade teacher she’d have beat our ass until we sniffled then slammed us down in our chair like she did Samuel David Anderson.
After Miss Anna Lee spanked S D Anderson just one time, the rest of us paid attention to her, we surely did.
I can’t remember ever seeing one other child spanked.
Because, we knew it would happen.
Every one of us got a cold half pint of milk at lunch too, and all the peanut butter and white bread we wanted free.
Allergies to peanuts must have been years in the future, or we’d have died in 1964.
I'm not sure why you see this as being a mercenary? Now, if he'd said "we'll *conclude* whatever you want if you're paying," that would be a different story. But just researching an issue... sounds like he was just doing his job?
The other outlying cases mentioned basically make my point that you can find outliers anywhere in anything, which is why a definitive consensus is valuable. The majority of those outlier fraudulent cases were after all discovered by peer research, and when they were discovered to be erroneous or fraudulent, the discoverers wasted zero time in publishing or announcing it.
Certainly no human process is perfect given the inevitability of human error and the greed in human nature, but the modern academic process does have more safeguards against these issues than anything else we've come up with yet... and the types of cases you mention are evidence that it works more often than not.