Got Milk? Apparently Not

[kola]

LOL, JP is spot on - on so many things.

 

[mawnansmiff]

They seem to be at it again.

"The group said it wanted "wholesale governmental support for farmers and fishing communities to transition to a plant-based food system..."

How the hell is a fisherman supposed to 'transition to plant based food'?

I'd just hose them down with freezing cold water.... they might think twice next time.

Animal Rebellion protesters block Muller and Arla dairy sites

Animal Rebellion is trying to disrupt milk supplies at four Muller and Arla sites in England.

www.bbc.co.uk

Regards,

Jay.

 

[Kobold]

They seem to be at it again.

"The group said it wanted "wholesale governmental support for farmers and fishing communities to transition to a plant-based food system..."

How the hell is a fisherman supposed to 'transition to plant based food'?

I'd just hose them down with freezing cold water.... they might think twice next time.

Animal Rebellion protesters block Muller and Arla dairy sites

Animal Rebellion is trying to disrupt milk supplies at four Muller and Arla sites in England.

www.bbc.co.uk

Regards,

Jay.

Those dummies probably think fishermen can transition from fish to seaweed.

 

[ron123]

When you see or hear the word “consensus” in the context of science, warning bells should be sounding. Science doesn’t work by taking a vote.

At this point I've heard more than enough from the "shut up and trust the science" shills. Science isn't doctrine. It should welcome challenges and the opportunity to defend positions/theories. Anytime someone counters a challenge with name-calling, it's safe to assume they've resorted to that because they can not defend their position.

 

[condorlover1]

Got Milk? I am still recovering from the childhood trauma of 'Humphrey's' stealing my milk....

 

[Jaylotw]

My father kept 25 cows milking at his Grade A dairy barn.

The poor street urchins of Humansville today are not a tenth as loved, cared for, and nurtured as Daddy’s cows were.

And you’ve never seen a pet dog as gentle as his cows, either.

Once in the morning and again of evening those twenty five cows, would of their own accord form into a line and come to be milked by their master.

At the barn, they would separate into two lines, thirteen on the South and the other dozen on the North, and always in the same order, would climb the ramps two by two every ten minutes.

I asked my father why this was so, and he replied the cows lived, to be milked. He said he took the place of their calf, and the youngest and strongest cows came in order to nurse the milking machine.

As they aged, gradually they’d fall back in line, pushed back by younger cows more eager to be milked, until finally they would wind up hind cow, waiting and watching the others.

My father loved all his cows, but he loved the hind cow, the most of all.

I’d give about anything, to see the love again when that last hind cow climbed the South ramp and Daddy milked her, all by herself.

Thd dairy industry still exists in Southwest Missouri today but all the little dairy farms are long gone.


Tje last dairy in the Humansville area today mills close to a thousand cows, using poor immigrants housed in dormitories, and on the streets of Humansville fatherless children play among discarded dollar whiskey bottles, with once proud homes falling down.

Milk today is made in milking factories, no love at all is involved.

As for me, every time I see the devastated ruins of the once proud town of Humansville, I’m reminded of the human cost of the price of cheap milk.

Lovely. There are still small dairies around me here in NE Ohio, but with cheaper milk flowing from the factory farms it's a rough life for the farmers themselves. The same can be said for vegetable growers. As a society we've apparently moved on from buying local and supporting our small farmers. Food just comes from WalMart. Farms get turned into subdivisions full of McMansions around here.

 

[Jaylotw]

At this point I've heard more than enough from the "shut up and trust the science" shills. Science isn't doctrine. It should welcome challenges and the opportunity to defend positions/theories. Anytime someone counters a challenge with name-calling, it's safe to assume they've resorted to that because they can not defend their position.

Science DOES welcome challenges, that's the entire point and why it's an ever-evolving story. It's the people outside of science which contort and distort and do not comprehend, who do not understand your statement that "science is not doctrine."

My partner is a research scientist for a weightloss company right now. Her constant battle is fighting the writers (who make ads, articles etc) who make claims based on "science," but don't understand the science itself. Her job is to say, "your claim is based on one study done on rats, not humans," or, "your claim is based on a study done on 27 people and is not large enough to be accurate for X, Y, and Z reasons."

You rarely meet a real scientist who makes the bold claims you see elsewhere.

 

[Jaylotw]

Milk is good. Dairy products are wonderful. These people are insane.

There are issues with dairy farming, practices which aren't ecologically sound or sustainable, but which many dairy farmers are addressing and dealing with. Farming is constantly changing and evolving, sometimes for the better, sometimes worse.

These people should be spending their energy on educating people on where their dairy comes from, how it gets there, and the challenges the producers face.

 

[mawnansmiff]

Got Milk? I am still recovering from the childhood trauma of 'Humphrey's' stealing my milk....

That just reminded me....I was milk monitor at St. Mary's Primary School back in the 70's when I was but a wee nipper.

The only benefit of holding that post was that on top of my own 1/3 pint bottle of milk I got to sup any leftovers too .

Regards,

Jay.

 

[ron123]

You rarely meet a real scientist who makes the bold claims you see elsewhere.

Heard of a guy named Fauci?
Ever dared to ask a question re climate/global/ice-age/warming change?

 

[beefeater33]

I'd just hose them down with freezing cold water.... they might think twice next time.

Wouldn't it be grand if they hosed them down with freezing cold MILK!!.................

 

[brian64]

Heard of a guy named Fauci?
Ever dared to ask a question re climate/global/ice-age/warming change?

 

[Jaylotw]

The bullshit above is why I've dropped out from participating in this forum.

Yeah. You sure told me.

 

[brian64]

Science DOES welcome challenges, that's the entire point and why it's an ever-evolving story. It's the people outside of science which contort and distort and do not comprehend, who do not understand your statement that "science is not doctrine."

My partner is a research scientist for a weightloss company right now. Her constant battle is fighting the writers (who make ads, articles etc) who make claims based on "science," but don't understand the science itself. Her job is to say, "your claim is based on one study done on rats, not humans," or, "your claim is based on a study done on 27 people and is not large enough to be accurate for X, Y, and Z reasons."

You rarely meet a real scientist who makes the bold claims you see elsewhere.

Yes, of course, that's what science is supposed to be, but unfortunately it is not uncommon for government, corporate media, academia and industry to promote unscientific policies, ideas and products using prominent, credentialed scientists as their spokespeople...assuring the public it is based on sound science...while at the same time slandering and censoring other highly credentialed and credible scientists who disagree with them instead of openly and honestly debating them on the data in question.

 

[anotherbob]

what I love is that actions like that just make your cause look worse in most cases. For example anyone notice that Anarchy as a legit part of the political discourse went out the window with the life of a guy named Ferdinand. If you have a cause no matter how big or great you think it is, you can't really force people to agree with you.

 

[anotherbob]

Wouldn't it be grand if they hosed them down with freezing cold MILK!!.................

which is a really good way to get people to listen to your cause. The heavy handed approach makes people a lot more sympathetic.

 

[stearmandriver]

When you see or hear the word “consensus” in the context of science, warning bells should be sounding. Science doesn’t work by taking a vote.

Well... in a way it kind of does.

There IS value in a definitive consensus. This is because of the way academia works: there is literally no better way to get ahead in your field, securing that coveted tenured position, lucrative lecturing engagements, access to research grants etc., than by taking a generally accepted concept and soundly overturning it. People who think otherwise have never read a peer review process; they can be downright bloodthirsty.

This is why it's so hilarious when people suggest a conspiracy exists, of researchers all cooperating to perpetuate some sort of false narrative. The reality is, if any solid evidence existed to overturn said narrative, there would be zero cooperation... they'd be killing each other to be the first to publish.

So, yes, science definitely invites questions and challenges... but you'll want to be presenting a solid conclusion supported by high-quality data obtained via sound methodology, or you can expect to be (entirely fairly) shredded during peer review.

In this environment, you can see that different research teams are competitors more than they're collaborators. This being the case, if a large percentage of them are forced to agree with one another, they aren't doing so out of some sense of professional courtesy. They're simply FORCED to, because no legitimate data exists to support a competing position.

THIS is the value of consensus in science. You can always find a single crackpot anywhere... you can find ONE geologist who believes the earth is flat. You can find ONE airline pilot who believes in chemtrails. You can find ONE doctor who believes that respiratory infections are caused by demon sperm; ONE zoologist who believes in cryptids etc.

But when a large majority of their peers hold the opposite consensus... there is likely a reason.

 

[condorlover1]

It is a great shame Leslie Nielsen died in 2010 as he would have made a perfect Dr. Fauchi or an even better President Frank Drebin!

 

[kola]

IBTL I love raw goats milk. Even though it's considered illegal.

 

[mawnansmiff]

IBTL I love raw goats milk. Even though it's considered illegal.

Where is raw goat's milk considered illegal?

I love goat's meat but I can't bide goat's milk or cheese. I can however drink cow's milk for England I love the stuff so much.

Ewe's milk is very creamy but like goat's milk, I'm no fan.

Regards,

Jay.