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sablebrush52

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$500,000 Steinway

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Cheap space heater

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A home with a Steinway and a Steinway grade concert pianist needs a constant even humidity controlled temperature.

WTF is there a cheep space heater in there?

And doggies in doggie crates in the bathroom

Where are the servants?

Gene had 80 million dollars.

Look, when Betsy was 29 there weren’t any space heaters and doggie crates in her bathroom—-NFW.
As I recall, that Steinway is in the prop department at Warner Bros. At least, it was when I played it.

I have a wonderful dog, a Chihuahua Corgi mix, named Satchel, she's smart, loving, loyal, and fiercely protective of me. She also, being part Corgi, is quite head strong. If I have to leave the house to run errands and Satchel isn't going with me she will express her displeasure, in no uncertain terms, on the carpet. She will not be dissuaded as she sees herself as a member of the family and her being left behind as disrespect.
I've have done my best to disabuse her of the behavior, to no success. In all other things she is obedient, just not this one thing. So, when I have to make a run for supplies, she goes into her crate. She actually likes hanging out in her crate when she's in the mood for a nap. She doesn't like being locked up in it when I'm out.

But my carpet likes it just fine.
 
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Briar Lee

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Not everyone lives to your high standards maybe? bdw

Every woman I ever saw that could fit in a slinky dress and play a Panasonic keyboard demanded a clean, warm, cool, nice bathroom with no dogs or space heaters.:)

This is Betsy’s damned bathroom.

WTF are space heaters and doggies in crates doing in there!

Betsy was a Steinway pilot until the day she pitched over dead and must have knocked off a space heater from the counter and left her pills scattered.

And yes, some hairy legged boys can play Steinways but they don’t show them on Hee Haw.:)


There was a reason for Killer to be in the crate and the other two dogs loose.

Could it be the Grand Tour, cut short?

Was Killer her baby?

 

warren

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Your imagination runs free, uncluttered by known facts. Known facts, by the way, well protected by the investigators. A wonderful thing for a member of the "peanut gallery." My thought, as a member of the "gallery" is, that was where the dog's comfort zone was, safe and secure in a kennel located located in a "smaller" toom.

The space heater? I've not read anything regarding its size or location in the bathroom. Perhaps there was a draft in the room which made it uncomfortable for someone stepping, wet, from the shower/bath. That would be my initial guess. That is was sized and so placed would obviously be for comfort.

WTF are space heaters and doggies in crates doing in there!
Perhaps they both gave her comfort? Being unacquainted with the Hackmans I wouldn't deign comment on how they lived. Not having seen the house, inside or out, I certainly am in no position to comment on the interior or their style of living. To do so would be extremely presumptuous of me.

Every woman I ever saw that could fit in a slinky dress and play a Panasonic keyboard demanded a clean, warm, cool, nice bathroom with no dogs or space heaters
I've not met enough women as you describe to make such generalizations. I envy you having such access to women like that and their bathrooms. A life well lived, you lucky devil. What a scoundrel you must have been in your youth. bdw

I arrived at the above conclusion based only your statements and, not personal knowledge. Sadly!
 
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Briar Lee

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Your imagination runs free, uncluttered by known facts. Known facts, by the way, well protected by the investigators. A wonderful thing for a member of the "peanut gallery." My thought, as a member of the "gallery" is, that was where the dog's comfort zone was, safe and secure in a kennel located located in a "smaller" toom.

The space heater? I've not read anything regarding its size or location in the bathroom. Perhaps there was a draft in the room which made it uncomfortable for someone stepping, wet, from the shower/bath. That would be my initial guess. That is was sized and so placed would obviously be for comfort.


Perhaps they both gave her comfort? Being unacquainted with the Hackmans I wouldn't deign comment on how they lived. Not having seen the house, inside or out, I certainly am in no position to comment on the interior or their style of living. To do so would be extremely presumptuous of me.


I've not met enough women as you describe to make such generalizations. I envy you having such access to women like that and their bathrooms. A life well lived, you lucky devil. What a scoundrel you must have been in your youth. bdw

I arrived at the above conclusion based only your statements and, not personal knowledge. Sadly!

For 41 years it was my profession to analyze legal Dee Zasters.

Two dead people and a dog, in a mansion high on a hilltop, reads like a law school final.:)

But I’ve been doing it since we sat around and analyzed 2 1/2 minute song stories on the radio a half mile South of Bug Tussle.

Everything on the radio and television and in police reports must be G rated.


The actual gruesome scenes are to be imagined behind the veil.

For extra credit, analyze Charlie’s Picture:

My mother wanted it sang at her funeral except I never could sing it well enough to suit her. If you can get the behind the veil meaning you’ve been there.:)

Listen to every word.

Porter Wagner song

 
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For 41 years it was my profession to analyze legal Dee Zasters.
But I bet you did so with all of the available information, autopsies, police reports, statements and so forth. You might have "tried" a case or two through the media, all criminal attorneys do that now and then. I doubt you went unprepared to court. The bar association wouldn't like that, not one bit.
 
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warren

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Some of the many observations stem from the need to "fill in the blanks." Which is why "eye witness" testimony should often be taken with a grain of salt. A "witness" hears the crash and turned to see the vehicles separating and finally come to rest. By the time the copper arrives the witness has "filled in the blanks" and has fabricated, in his mind, exactly what happened leading up to the collision. So, he informs the investigator that he witnessed the accident, fully believing such, and offers up his reconstruction. It's human nature. The mind abhors "empty spaces". Which is why "eye witness" stories are usually disregarded unless supported by the physical evidence ad/or corroboration by other witnesses.

Ask witnesses for a suspect description and, unless they are trained to observe, each response will vary, sometime with critical/conflicting observations, hat or no hat, weapon displayed or not, race, and so forth. Physical evidence is always preferred and assists in weeding out the "filled in blanks." Nothing malicious in the witnesses, usually, simply what one's mind needs to do.
 

Briar Lee

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But I bet you did so with all of the available information, autopsies, police reports, statements and so forth. You might have "tried" a case or two through the media, all criminal attorneys do that now and then. I doubt you went unprepared to court. The bar association wouldn't like that, not one bit.

Reasonable doubt

Once upon a time, the police found a dead car stuck in the middle of the median.

‘Twas surely, a great mystery!

Let’s use other names, the car came back registered to Gene and Betsy, who lived in my county a hundred miles away.

Then, the Judas Iscariot Towing Service called the law, and reported that Gene was drunk as hell at a phone booth, up the road from the dead car.

The law officer came to the phone booth and Gene said I’m sorry, I was driving, but whatever you do don’t tell Betsy.

Guess how that story ended?

Gene hired me and wanted to make a deal and I refused.

I said tell Betsy you don’t need her to go to trial.

At trial the prosecutor introduced the car registration, the testimony of the wretched lousy snitch that drove the tow truck, and the officer Gene confessed to.

And this was my defense

Officer, how do you know that woman you saw standing on the sidewalk by the dead car was Betsy?

Ah, er, ah, I don’t remember a woman standing on a sidewalk by the car

Could there have been one?

Silence Longer silence.

Officer looks at judge

Judge looks at prosecutor

Prosector says the state will dismiss the charge and nolle pros.

The officer and prosecutor came over and apologized.

I walked out in the parking lot and said

Don’t pretend you are innocent

And it’s a good idea not to see your drunken brother in Rolla when you’ve told Betsy you’ve gone fishing at Bennet Springs.

The next time Betsy might just think there was another woman standing on the sidewalk.


Did I lie?

Or did I listen to too many country songs?.:)

 
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Briar Lee

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Some of the many observations stem from the need to "fill in the blanks." Which is why "eye witness" testimony should often be taken with a grain of salt. A "witness" hears the crash and turned to see the vehicles separating and finally come to rest. By the time the copper arrives the witness has "filled in the blanks" and has fabricated, in his mind, exactly what happened leading up to the collision. So, he informs the investigator that he witnessed the accident, fully believing such, and offers up his reconstruction. It's human nature. The mind abhors "empty spaces". Which is why "eye witness" stories are usually disregarded unless supported by the physical evidence ad/or corroboration by other witnesses.

Ask witnesses for a suspect description and, unless they are trained to observe, each response will vary, sometime with critical/conflicting observations, hat or no hat, weapon displayed or not, race, and so forth. Physical evidence is always preferred and assists in weeding out the "filled in blanks." Nothing malicious in the witnesses, usually, simply what one's mind needs to do.

The first recorded murder was Cain who slew Able, with a rock.

Cain was a poor dirt farmer and Able was a cattleman who wore a silver belly Stetson and hung around the sale barns with the waitresses fawning all over him.

If the simple, honest, humble dirt farmer Cain had been my client, I’d have said

Lets go out there and I’ll show you blood on the rocks where my client defended himself

Witnesses interpret evidence by preconceptions

There’s 80 million dollars at stake depending on who died first and if one killed the other.

Well, unless there’s not 80 million dollars anymore

Better check bank accounts
 

craig61a

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love that in your sarcastic response you explained that you understand the concept of equal and opposite reaction. That if the tiny bits of metal could throw a person several feet it do the same thing to the person shooting the gun.
Or in other words the only gun I've shot that might throw a person was a M1 that thing kicked so hard compared to anything else I've tried. But even that might be like a few inches.
An M1 Garand doesn’t have much recoil at all… the spring on the op rod absorbs a lot of the recoil. I’ve had kids shoot an M1 at my clubs gun safety day, and they didn’t seem to have any issues. Now, a Steyr M95 cut down to carbine length with full power 8x56R loads will get your attention.
 

georged

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An M1 Garand doesn’t have much recoil at all… the spring on the op rod absorbs a lot of the recoil. I’ve had kids shoot an M1 at my clubs gun safety day, and they didn’t seem to have any issues. Now, a Steyr M95 cut down to carbine length with full power 8x56R loads will get your attention.

The most pushback I ever felt was Jeff Cooper's personal "African" carbine, which was chambered for its own custom ammo: a .460 Weatherby with the case's belt turned off, downloaded a bit powder-wise to accommodate the short barrel. Pushed 500 grains at 2550.

T'was very ouchey.

(At least the stock had no drop, so it was straight back. Still rang your bell, though.)
 
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craig61a

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Your imagination runs free, uncluttered by known facts. Known facts, by the way, well protected by the investigators. A wonderful thing for a member of the "peanut gallery." My thought, as a member of the "gallery" is, that was where the dog's comfort zone was, safe and secure in a kennel located located in a "smaller" toom.

The space heater? I've not read anything regarding its size or location in the bathroom. Perhaps there was a draft in the room which made it uncomfortable for someone stepping, wet, from the shower/bath. That would be my initial guess. That is was sized and so placed would obviously be for comfort.


Perhaps they both gave her comfort? Being unacquainted with the Hackmans I wouldn't deign comment on how they lived. Not having seen the house, inside or out, I certainly am in no position to comment on the interior or their style of living. To do so would be extremely presumptuous of me.


I've not met enough women as you describe to make such generalizations. I envy you having such access to women like that and their bathrooms. A life well lived, you lucky devil. What a scoundrel you must have been in your youth. bdw

I arrived at the above conclusion based only your statements and, not personal knowledge. Sadly!
“Your imagination runs free, uncluttered by known facts.”

Pure gold…
 
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The most pushback I ever felt was Jeff Cooper's personal "African" carbine, which was chambered for its own custom ammo: a .460 Weatherby with the cases's belt turned off, downloaded a bit powder-wise to accommodate the short barrel. Pushed 500 grains at 2550.

T'was very ouchey.

(At least the stock had no drop, so it was straight back. Still rang your bell, though.)
 

craig61a

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I’ve never shot a .460.

I load most .30 cal rounds I the neighborhood of upper 40 to 55 grains, my short mag .30 63 gr.

Load data for .460 shows double the powder charge for a projectile weighing like 2.5x what a “normal” projectile would weigh. It would get Godzilla’s attention…

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georged

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I’ve never shot a .460.

I load most .30 cal rounds I the neighborhood of upper 40 to 55 grains, my short mag .30 63 gr.

Load data for .460 shows double the powder charge for a projectile weighing like 2.5x what a “normal” projectile would weigh. It would get Godzilla’s attention…

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Cooper was aiming for the sweet spot. Enough ooomph for all African big game, small and light enough to be easily carried and fast on target, and recoil being survivable by a normal-sized human.

He definitely nailed it.

Tons-O-fun was his Fourth of July "Safari Shoot". A trail that wound through 160 acres of desert foothill(y) land, with life-size African animal target w/kill-zone gongs, but I don't think he ever actually hunted in Africa.
 
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I always wanted to try one of these out though… I would have liked to have had the opportunity to have purchased one these back in the early 60’s. $99 cash and carry.

 
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I had a Ruger 77 MkII in .338 Magnum that weighed about 7 pounds. Won it in a gun raffle. Nice gun, but not really practical for me. Whitetails will go down with much less firepower. And the .30 RSAUM worked just fine for me on elk. I eventually just ended up selling that rifle.
 

georged

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I always wanted to try one of these out though… I would have liked to have had the opportunity to have purchased one these back in the early 60’s. $99 cash and carry.




Why stop there?

One of these in your pocket and you could bag blue whales, T-rexes, locomotives... pretty much anything, actually:


 
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