Explain The Meditative Stage (Out of Body Experience)

[Chasing Embers]

many great minds and thinkers

They were also users of cocaine, LSD, and other drugs.

 

[macaroni]

Can someone explain the meditative stage smoking a pipe can put you into?

I don't smoke often, a few bowls per week,

What are your thoughts about the meditative stage?

40 years ago smoking good weed I remember LOVING to gt F##%ed UP like this! WTF?
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[olkofri]

Go back to cigars. It looks like pipes are just not for you. ?

 

[puff_not_snuff]

Jesus not only understands my smoke signals, he also replies to mine.

 

[Sweet Home Alabama]

Can someone explain the meditative stage smoking a pipe can put you into?

I don't smoke often, a few bowls per week, sometimes less. But almost everytime I smoke, I get into this strange meditative stage that only happens when I smoke a pipe. It's a realy strange feeling, sometimes the meditative stage gets so "powerfull" it's a out of body experience. The first time it happend I got scared. Well, maybe not scared, more like spooked. I have never felt something similar with other nicotine products.

How does it work? I have tried just about everything to recreate it. Meditate with and without chew/snus. "Fake" smoking a pipe while using snus. Smoking a cigar while inbetween puffs clench my pipe to get the "feeling", nothing works. The only thing that works is a pipe. And it don't seem to matter much which pipe tobacco either, but I seem to have the best results with medium strong blends. Too much nicotine and the feeling goes away, same with not enough nicotine.

I have a hard time believing that only nicotine together with the whole rutine with smoking, tamping, relights and searching for flavors can create something like this. But at the same time, I highly doubt pipe tobacco manufacturers put something "special" in there tobacco. (Maybe it's the preservatives?)

What are your thoughts about the meditative stage?

I've read people discribe the same using a straight razor for the first time or restoring and using a old fountain pen to compose their thoughts on a sheet of quality paper. Perhaps it is the concentration required, the muscle memory that's being developed.

Playing music can have this effect. listening to music can have this effect. Walking, running, and hiking can have this effect. It is when all of our energies and consciousness is channeled on one thing. We are more aware and less aware at the same time.

Good post. Ignore the near-do-wells.

 

[Casual]

Placebo or not, i'm definitely not complaining. Just wish there where other ways to recreate the feeling/stage without smoking a pipe. But if I did find one, maybe I would not enjoy smoking a pipe as much.

Strange thing this.

Smoking a pipe, mostly when new, requires attention directed to breathing, and paying attention to subtle cues from ones body, like taste, smell, heat, etc. This mirrors advice given for meditation. So maybe try an intentional meditation program instead of the pipe if you want to recreate it.

Personally, I’d rather the pipe or journaling.

 

[Charlie718]

All jokes aside what the OP explained, to me at least, kinda sounds like just being super focused on one activity / thought. Some people can do that at will and to them it feels normal and isn’t meditative or anything it’s just focusing on a job at hand. A lot of F1 drivers can do this or learn to do this, it makes it so your subconscious and muscle memory take over and you don’t consciously think about what your doing and you save split seconds when you only have one second to make a decision. Also allows you to think about setting up for the next turns not how you tackle the turn coming up.

 

[RookieGuy]

I've been there fishing, listening to music, smoking things other than tobacco, but never a pipe. For me I think it's auditory related, sounds take me there. If I could get there with a briar (or cob) cigarettes would already be gone.

 

[Country Bladesmith]

I've had some splendidly relaxing smokes, just sitting in my lawn chair listening to the rustling of the trees or the melodious sounds of drive by shootings.

Dude, you need to move! ?

 

[saltedplug]

Placebo or not, i'm definitely not complaining. Just wish there where other ways to recreate the feeling/stage without smoking a pipe. But if I did find one, maybe I would not enjoy smoking a pipe as much.

Strange thing this.

There are many other ways of attaining trance than smoking the pipe.

One definition of meditation is perfect concentration on a perfect thing. The breath is one such thing, and as you are experiencing this while smoking, I would guess that basically you are, by the use of controlled breathing while drawing or sipping, uncovering the energy latent in it to ascend consciousness.

The best picture of perfect concentration that I know of shows Sivananda's face in a close-up, I think in samadhi. I can help you find it.

If you would wish to meditate on the breath, there is a very powerful breath meditation in the first few pages of Yogananda's Lessons, available from SRF at a nominal price. To subscribe to the Lessons entails no obligation.

To simply find the mantra and google it for the method, is, I think, breaking the spiritual authorization to use it. To go through an authorized organization is a much better start. Or if you prefer Muktananda's "I Am That" goes into this in detail.

 

[Country Bladesmith]

There is a sort of meditative state, for lack of a better description, that the Japanese call “mushin,” which basically means “mind, no mind.” It’s kind of an emotionless awareness of everything around you that is very hard to describe. It’s the closest thing to an “out of body” experience that I’ve ever experienced, but still very remote to that I think. And smoking a pipe has certainly never induced it for me. If anything, I’m in a totally opposite state of mind when I smoke, thinking about all sorts of things. ?‍

 

[autumnfog]

Mindfulness is not a new concept, regardless of how many "gurus" there is out there selling self help-books.
The ideas are just zen reinvented to sell.

 

[Sweet Home Alabama]

Mindfulness is not a new concept, regardless of how many "gurus" there is out there selling self help-books.
The ideas are just zen reinvented to sell.

I’ve enjoyed Ellen Langer’s work.

 

[Merton]

I have never had this happen, sadly. The closest I came was the one time I tried Sutliff 515 RC-1. It tasted like I was gargling with an amalgamation of apple cider vinegar and fermented ocelot urine. I just sat there, slowly puffing, wondering if I was missing something, and if it would get any better. It didn't, and the longer the experience dragged itself out, I began to wonder whether or not this would adversely impact the future of my pipe smoking as a whole. Sort of like in a movie when someone's about to die, and their life flashes before their eyes, except the other way...the future was flashing before my eyes, and it was rather nightmarish in nature. But, in retrospect, it was kind of like a meditative state, at least in terms of the full-body paralysis, the tears shed, and the double-length mouthwash session afterwards.

I must enjoy fermented ocelot urine. Perhaps it is an acquired taste...

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I can’t explain “your” experience, but a nicotine overdose is known to plant a man firmly in his seat with an expression of AWE upon their green faces.
I do this every night. I rub out a plug, smoke it slow and steady until I feel my eyes getting heavy, my mind clear, and crawl over to my bed, eat a small bite of chocolate, a glass of ice water, and sleep the most restful and refreshing until the sun rises.

 

[Sweet Home Alabama]

I can’t explain “your” experience, but a nicotine overdose is known to plant a man firmly in his seat with an expression of AWE upon their green faces.
I do this every night. I rub out a plug, smoke it slow and steady until I feel my eyes getting heavy, my mind clear, and crawl over to my bed, eat a small bite of chocolate, a glass of ice water, and sleep the most restful and refreshing until the sun rises.

Definitely YMMV…?

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Well, I left out the waking up every two hours to piss, but pending your age, definitely ymmv.

 

[heyeveryone]

Thanks everyone for posting your thoughts about this!

To clarify abit how I smoke. I never do anything, I just sit in a chair and watch the skies, trees or birds do there thing.

I have experienced something similar doing TIG welding, but it never got meditative. It's more of a wind-wandering thing where I would just think about what I will eat later that night or plan my weekend just to realize "oh, i'm done welding", with little memory of me actually doing any welding.

The mindfullness or zen theory sounds most plausible with breathing being the most important thing and nicotine is just icing on the cake.

Maybe I should find a meditation course that focuses on breathing as it sounds like i'm very susceptible to it.

 

[ChuckMijo]

I’m glad you have these nice experiences! Life is short. I never had a experience like that smoking. I smoke for the nicotine, and am addicted. I smoke morning till night. I think others maybe as yourself smoke like a hobby or relaxing and thus are able to have these experiences.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Meditation scares me. It leads to enlightenment, and my only experience with “the enlightened” was watching the flower children and old enlightened homeless raiding garbage cans for rotten foods to eat and sleeping in the parks when I was a kid. I was even afraid of yoga for years when my wife was encouraging me to come with her to classes. I looked her in the eye and told her, “I’ll try it, but if I get enlightened, I’m kicking someone’s ass.”