In some foreign languages, the structure is different that what it would be in English... How foolish do you sound when you go to Germany and try to speak the language...
Estervals: Is The Party Over?
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In some foreign languages, the structure is different that what it would be in English... How foolish do you sound when you go to Germany and try to speak the language...
Yes they are rude in email correspondence. But I can't blame them for not wanting to sell here anymore.
dont forget they are also not writing in their native language.sometimes things are lost in translation..
I wouldnt call it rude,they used greetings and best regards in the reply
OK. Freely traded. Even with tax and duty and whatnot, let the products flow through the borders.
They will flow - as long as the tax/duty is paid...
I must express my sadness that this has occurred. Esterval's sold a magnificent, top-class product. I wonder if there are any other German internet tobacco retailers that will ship to the USA in their stead.
THIS. They finally figured out that the risks far outweighed the rewards.
Yep. Putting the blame on US customers unaware of US Customs duties is baloney, which is emblamatic of the experience I had with them with the last shipment. Besides, when I spoke with a US Customs agent regarding my ill-fated shipment she explained in detail why US Customs was not involved.
They must have gotten tired of having to swallow the cost of tobaccos lost to German Customs when the shipments were returned, as well as credit card companies requiring them to return the money exchanged.
It was fun while it lasted, and as much as I would have liked to try some new blends, it's just not a necessity worth the financial risk, however minor.
You can check out pheiffendepot to see if thy're still shipping. But given the current climate I would be hesitant to order anything.
^^^ This
Well, it may be the best in my case as I have 3x my needs already. ?
Still, as mentioned it is a shame for those just beginning their tobacco journey. ?
I tried to order a pipe from Ihr Fachgeschäft für Zigarren und Pfeifen - https://www.tabak-traeber.de/de/ a few weeks ago and was not able to create an account or place the order as a guest because in the dropdown of countries to select, USA wasn't there...Uzbekistan, not a problem. I sent them an email asking if there was a way to order the pipe and they replied:
Unfortunately USA is not possible.
kind regards
Michael Träber
Tabak Träber, Drubbel 4, 48143 Münster
www.tabak-traeber.de
Can't really say I blame them.
Unfortunately USA is not possible.
kind regards
Michael Träber
Tabak Träber, Drubbel 4, 48143 Münster
www.tabak-traeber.de
Can't really say I blame them.
What a changed climate now compared to when I did
business overseas. Ordering Condor from James Fox of Dublin in 2014 and 15 was tax free, and it arrived within 3 or 4 days of the order. Now? I wouldn't even try. The anti-tobacco environment is supported by thousands? of health organizations we who have turned the ear of almost every government that exists.
The dignity of the freedom of choice is being systematically stripped from any entity that deals with tobacco. Wait until they make it illegal to grow it, blend it, distribute it or sell it. Yeah sure, but you can still smoke it.
In this light the second-hand smoke regulations starting in the 80s signaled the twilight of tobacco. I bet that even in the years remaining to me the climate will deteriorate much more.
Tobacco is seen as a world health problem, and looking at the statistics of the health and business costs caused by it is inarguable. But as we know, the harm caused by a moderate pipe smoking is not comparable to cigarette smoking, and it is the latter that generates the statistics.
business overseas. Ordering Condor from James Fox of Dublin in 2014 and 15 was tax free, and it arrived within 3 or 4 days of the order. Now? I wouldn't even try. The anti-tobacco environment is supported by thousands? of health organizations we who have turned the ear of almost every government that exists.
The dignity of the freedom of choice is being systematically stripped from any entity that deals with tobacco. Wait until they make it illegal to grow it, blend it, distribute it or sell it. Yeah sure, but you can still smoke it.
In this light the second-hand smoke regulations starting in the 80s signaled the twilight of tobacco. I bet that even in the years remaining to me the climate will deteriorate much more.
Tobacco is seen as a world health problem, and looking at the statistics of the health and business costs caused by it is inarguable. But as we know, the harm caused by a moderate pipe smoking is not comparable to cigarette smoking, and it is the latter that generates the statistics.
My doctor told me that tobacco in any form and however used is harmful. I don't think the medical profession has any use for a differential analysis of harm.
well anything can be harmful and often medical professionals operate under the assumption that the general public are idiots. So they assume if they say something isn't as bad as something else that is similar people will still do the worst thing. If they say a pipe is safer then cigs they know patients will still smoke cigs and then be like why I get sick don't you have a pill to safe me?
I've pretty much had more then a few doctors tell me that after showing them data about smokeless and other forms of tobacco.
Clear confusion at best on Herr Harms part. I have yet to hear one US customer who has EVER complained about PAYING customs on an Estervals order. They never got the chance. And as @sablebrush52 has pointed out repeatedly and has been confirmed by others, including me,US Customs does not return packages to any country, any time, for any reason. The recipient gets a bill. If not paid or timely disputed, the package is seized, to be sold if duties are the only issue. The contents aren’t destroyed if it is illegal.
Say all you want in defense of Estervals, but their use of combination DHL/USPS shipping plainly started screwing up with some regularity over a year ago. If Herr Harms had gotten his arrogant kraut head out of his ass and actually tried another method of shipping, I might have some sympathy for him. There is no evidence that he did. German reputation for competence and honesty is over rated anyway. See Diesel Gate.
Except that bypassing regulations only benefitted the end user.
The functional cause of the controversy was improved efficiency.
Pre-2015 VW Diesels are the best that will ever exist.
Being from South Texas,....
Ich nicht comprende......
I always thought thats why they charged exorbitant shipping fees for the slowest, cheapest, sailboat and donkey ride in order to offset that problem.
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