Dunhill Tobaccos Discontinued (At Least In The Netherlands And Perhaps Elsewhere

[Dutch Pipe Smoker]

That is a tough blow to Netherlands smokers.

It is, also because most of the STG tobaccos also vanish from our shelves or have already gone. So no more Skandinavik, WO Larsen, Alsbo, Orlik, Sweet Dublin, Indian Summer, Nappa Valley, Stanwell, Half and Half, Dankse Club, Kentucky Bird, Neptune, Zephyr and Schippers baai.. Also because of the same reason, the new TPD2 guidelines and not willing to make the costs of re-making the tin labels..

 

[newbroom]

The cost of remaking labels? That's the 'reason'? :crazy:

 

[jvnshr]

Sad news, I enjoy some of their blends, mostly EMP. I hope I can get them from the States though. Otherwise, my life is not going to change that much. Still sad news as I said.

 

[philobeddoe]

This might be really bad news for Al and Bradley...Al pretty much sticks with 965 and Brad pretty much sticks with Nightcap if I remember correctly. Stock the cellars deep gentlemen!

 

[tbradsim1]

Just bought 5 lbs at P&C, had emailed SP and asked if they could match the price, SP was 37$ higher, no they said, wonder why the big difference. Got 10 lbs, don't believe I have that much smoking left in me. ::

 

[perdurabo]

Yea, I'm sure pedophillia is still legal over there but I can't fuck my cat, on vacation, in the Netherlands. Arno can't smoke a pipe of tobacco but has to inhale dangerous schizophrenic Cannibiod tars. I mean I know Dunhill is the main topic here, but damn they make it so fun to blast their Progressive Ideals. :mrgreen:

 

[mso489]

arno', I got out in the countryside and to the smaller port of Horn, beautiful country. Amsterdam spoils tourists because everyone speaks multiple languages, English almost universally. Whereas outside the big city, not so much. Just watch out for the street cars and especially the bicyclists who definitely command the right-of-way. The best part of Amsterdam is that dogs are everywhere. My wife had to see a doctor, and he had a dog under the examining table who sauntered out to meet us. They're on the street cars and in bicycle baskets and in many shops. The cats, on the other hand, are huge and aloof. I'm used to cats who'll come over and greet me. Those big canal house cats want nothing to do with strangers, which is probably intelligent. They've been dealing with wharf rats and won't take any lip.

 

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This might be really bad news for Al and Bradley...Al pretty much sticks with 965 and Brad pretty much sticks with Nightcap

Yeah, that's an understatement, 99.9% of what I smoke is 965. I have about 200 tins, but I better redouble my efforts. I'm driving by CI shortly, will stop. I bought five tins there on Tuesday, now more. I appreciate the heads up.

 

[sablebrush52]

Sounds like the EU Regs areas bad as anything happening here. It's not that the blends can't be sold, it's that BAT doesn't give a shit. Buy it while you can. Damn glad that I stocked up on Motzek Strang, HU blends, etc because those are becoming unavailable.

 

[woodsroad]

965 is $2.75/oz. when you buy 5lbs

 

[tennsmoker]

This regulatory world is beginning to seriously piss me off!
I have been smoking Dunhill tobacco since dirt. Not all the time, mind you, since I am a fellow who appreciates variety. But, I really like 965, EMP, the old London Mixture.
And now it appears the end is in sight! Damn, why can't we just all get along?

 

[drennan]

This regulatory world is beginning to seriously piss me off!

Me too, I lost one of my favourite smokes last year to regs and if the Dunhill blends go then I lose my favourite VaPer too.
It wasn't that long ago that everyone was saying this is the golden age of pipe tobacco and now it all looking doom and gloom.

 

[oldgeezersmoker]

There are three very sound reasons to stock up, even if you disregard opinions about aging:

(1) price increases, almost baked in the cake due to cost of compliance with FDA rules, in addition to the states and feds insatiable desire for revenue;

(2) the strong possibility of interstate sales bans, the likelihood only increased by RYO products masquerading as pipe tobacco (This is seen as a real problem by the state level bureucrats who benefit from the revenues they get from the cigarette Master Settlement Agreement;

(3) Decisions by large conglomerates to leave the business because of the increasing regulatory burden for a declining market, as here, which will also have an impact on smaller participants, many (most?) of whom buy their ingredients from larger players (pipe tobacco has pretty much always been a factory product)
All that said,I would take this thread with a grain of salt as far as the US presence of Dunhill is concerned. They are quite capable of making different decisions about different markets. It may well be the case that, say, five years from now you can find Dunhill on the shelf and not McClelland or C&D. To the extent I feel the need to stock up(age and health are a factor), I am trying to diversify.

 

[ssjones]

This was posted in another forum this morning, the release (?) is dated 1/17:

http://halfwheel.com/dunhill-plans-exit-cigar-pipe-business
I don't find this release anywhere else on the web.

One of the most storied names in the world of cigars and pipes is going away.
Tobacco giant British American Tobacco is planning to no longer offer Dunhill cigars and pipe tobaccos.
“British American Tobacco (BAT) has informed us of their intention to exit the handmade cigar and pipe tobacco business for the Dunhill brands, said Régis Broersma, president of General Cigar Co., which makes Dunhill cigars and distributes them in the U.S.
“As this process will take approximately 12-18 months to complete, it will be business as usual; therefore, there will be no change to the way in which we manufacture, market and sell the Dunhill items in our portfolio in the near future. We are currently in talks with BAT to discuss the future of the brand.”
British American Tobacco has no plans to stop selling Dunhill tobacco products. Dunhill cigarettes remain a core part of the company’s premium offerings. BAT’s Dunhill business is different from the company’s luxury goods and accessories which is owned by the luxury group Richemont.
Earlier this week, British American Tobacco announced that it will merge with Reynolds American, creating the largest publicly-traded tobacco company in the world.

 

[ssjones]

From the same web source:

http://halfwheel.com/british-american-tobacco-completes-reynolds-american-takeover/139091

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British American Tobacco Completes Reynolds American Takeover

By Charlie Minato @charlieminato · On January 18, 2017

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British American Tobacco and Reynolds American have agreed to a merger that will see British American Tobacco purchase the 57.8 percent of Reynolds American that it does not own for $49 billion. If approved by shareholders and regulators, it will create the largest publicly-traded tobacco company.
The deal has little implications for the cigar industry, though British American Tobacco does own the Dunhill brand, which has premium cigars as well as cigarettes. Reynolds American has no premium cigar presence.
It does represent the latest in a fury of mergers and acquisitions in the larger tobacco industry and could speed up a rumored merger and takeover of Imperial Brands, plc by Japan Tobacco International.

 

[mso489]

So far this sounds like a corporate fandango in which information is no information. The brand and/or the product have a considerable value, and I think it will either be sustained by the owner or sold to someone who will either use the Dunhill brand or make it clear that the name has changed to something else. The current "information" just sounds like a fan dance. Maybe it's useful to corporate insiders and brokers, but not to Dunhill blend smokers. I'd say, stay tuned.

 

[blendtobac]

This is just conjecture on my part, but I suspect that part of the reason that BAT is making this decision is profitability. The Dunhill cigarettes are profitable for them because BAT actually makes them. The cigars are made for BAT by General Cigar, and the pipe tobaccos are made by Orlik. My guess is that because they don't control production directly, their profit margins either have to be a little slim, or they'd have to price the products much higher to make enough to make it worth the effort.
Russ

 

[ashdigger]

Russ, your conjecture sounds like the actual truth and makes actual sense. Thank you.

 

[sablebrush52]

+1
The goal of a business is to make profits and when a product isn't sufficiently profitable, the product is discontinued.
While the disappearance of Dunhill tobaccos won't affect me, I will be sorry to see them go, if indeed they are going, because so many others enjoy them.

 

[warren]

+1
As stated, it is all about the investors, the risk takers. They take the risk and we enjoy, not in sufficient numbers it appears in this case, the end result of their investment.