Dunhill now made in Italy?
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Yeah, there's no truth to this. These sort of rumors surface from time to time (we've heard some truly ridiculous theories over the years regarding other brands), but it's just not true. Dunhill moved many years ago from their more central location to North East London, but they have always been made in London.
Check out this blog post from a few years back. If anyone would like more proof, I suppose I can share more pictures (that happen to be geotagged in London) from one of my visits to the factory
Visiting The White Spot
Check out this blog post from a few years back. If anyone would like more proof, I suppose I can share more pictures (that happen to be geotagged in London) from one of my visits to the factory
Visiting The White Spot
Dunhills are made in England and have always been made in England. Bits of the their supply chain upstream happens elsewhere. Some materials come from elsewhere in Europe and packaging probably comes from Asia. Because that's how supply chains work. And this isn't a new phenomenon. As long as there's been a pipe industry, there have been upstream suppliers to pipe factories.
Generally, these discussions are rooted in misunderstanding how pipe manufacturing works. Pipe factories, like car factories, don't make everything that goes into each pipe themselves. Some things vary from factory to factory (adornments like silver; how much stem work is done in-house vs upstream). Some things are always done by the branded factory (designing, sanding, application of adornments, fitting stems, staining, finishing). Some things, none of the factories do (they all buy their packaging, for example, usually from suppliers in Asia).
But, Dunhill pipes, in any sense that matters, are made in North London. I know this because I've watched it take place and talked with the guys in the factory. Same is true for Peterson, Chacom, Savinelli and others (both in the sense that I've literally watched the pipes being made and in the sense that these factories literally make pipes).
Stanwell--on the other hand--has been made entirely by OEM manufacturers since the closure of that factory in Borup, in Denmark in 2009/10.
There is a world of difference between 'some manufacturing processes or bits are supplied in or outsourced' and buying completed pipes from OEM manufacturers.
All manufactured goods are the result of supply chains. Ford doesn't manufacture the steel it uses or the thousands of microchips in its cars. Same is true for pipes. It's still a Ford. And it's still a Dunhill or a Peterson or a Savinelli.
Dunhills are made in North London. Full stop.
I hope that helps.
Sykes
Generally, these discussions are rooted in misunderstanding how pipe manufacturing works. Pipe factories, like car factories, don't make everything that goes into each pipe themselves. Some things vary from factory to factory (adornments like silver; how much stem work is done in-house vs upstream). Some things are always done by the branded factory (designing, sanding, application of adornments, fitting stems, staining, finishing). Some things, none of the factories do (they all buy their packaging, for example, usually from suppliers in Asia).
But, Dunhill pipes, in any sense that matters, are made in North London. I know this because I've watched it take place and talked with the guys in the factory. Same is true for Peterson, Chacom, Savinelli and others (both in the sense that I've literally watched the pipes being made and in the sense that these factories literally make pipes).
Stanwell--on the other hand--has been made entirely by OEM manufacturers since the closure of that factory in Borup, in Denmark in 2009/10.
There is a world of difference between 'some manufacturing processes or bits are supplied in or outsourced' and buying completed pipes from OEM manufacturers.
All manufactured goods are the result of supply chains. Ford doesn't manufacture the steel it uses or the thousands of microchips in its cars. Same is true for pipes. It's still a Ford. And it's still a Dunhill or a Peterson or a Savinelli.
Dunhills are made in North London. Full stop.
I hope that helps.
Sykes
I too am a layman in this area and not a particularly well informed one, having taken my last class on this subject in the early 90s. Nonetheless, my understanding regarding rules of origin is that there is another layer of law above a particular country's and that layer consists of international treaties and trade agreements. Goods need to be properly marked with their place of origin to obtain whatever favorable tariff treatment had been negotiated under particular treaties and agreements and those treaties and agreements govern when a good is deemed to have originated from a particular country. The US Commerce Department should have on-line advice available, and as they're based on international law, should be sound for British made goods as well. I used to know what the general principals were and whether a shirt whose pieces are cut in the US but sewed in Mexico qualifies as Made in the USA, but I don't remember anymore.
Dunhill pipes are made in London
in the 1920s they may possibly have used French stummels, but since then they have sourced their own briar, and all the pipes have been made in London.
End of story.
in the 1920s they may possibly have used French stummels, but since then they have sourced their own briar, and all the pipes have been made in London.
End of story.
^^^ …even their cobs? JK, that was another thread?
If it were just guys setting around smoking coming up with these tales it would be one thing, but I wonder why these get started by distributers and pipe shop owners?
When you google "where are dunhill pipes made pipesmagazine," you'll see dozens of threads over the last few years, where this keeps coming up, over and over.
But, if history tells us anything, this probably isn't the last time it will come up.
When you google "where are dunhill pipes made pipesmagazine," you'll see dozens of threads over the last few years, where this keeps coming up, over and over.
So, maybe some stummels are made elsewhere? And, this shocks people in the distribution chain, or maybe jealousy, or just that "wink wink, I know something" rumor mill?
But, if history tells us anything, this probably isn't the last time it will come up.
There's no briar growing in London. None. So yeah, some part of the pipe comes from somewhere else. Is it wood only? Is it a half finished bowl? Doesn't hardly matter. The fitment of the stems, the drilling, etc, hasn't changed in 100 years. Same with the stems - made from rod ebonite, and that comes from Germany, Dunhill doesn't make it. They cut it into stems.
Does Dunhill make pipes? Yes. Where? Walthamstow. Are they locally sourced organic gluten free pipes? No.
Does Dunhill make pipes? Yes. Where? Walthamstow. Are they locally sourced organic gluten free pipes? No.
My theory some sales men are full of it. Probably one that can't carry Dunhills anymore. They're not the problem it's Dunhill so you just can't get them sorry oh and they're made in Italy so don't go asking around and get a new distributor. You know like the rumors about other English pipe tobacco makers that where going round before they got a new and better distributor.
Thank you,
That better explains the confusion. And, helps us clarify this when it comes up.
I understand your meaning, but if they are no longer Dunhill's pipes (technically ) who's are they then ?
Given all the confusion 1995 onward .
Same factory, same people, but different branding. Alfred Dunhill’s White Spot. Just a name, technically still the same history. Just another page. IMO
Google :
Who makes Dunhill pipes now ?
a London-based luxury goods company owned by Swiss company Richemont and the Dunhill tobacco products company owned by British American Tobacco (now two independently owned entities).
Who makes Dunhill pipes now ?
a London-based luxury goods company owned by Swiss company Richemont and the Dunhill tobacco products company owned by British American Tobacco (now two independently owned entities).
Dunhill hasn't been Dunhill ever since Alfred stopped carving when the old wrists couldn't take it anymore. Richard was a ne'er-do-well skirt chaser who couldn't carve a lump of coal. It's been downhill ever since the old boy died in 1924. At least he escaped the sight off Nazi bombs destroying the old shop. It's all Swiss precision now. Lovely on the surface but soulless inside.
I often wonder how many pipes AD carved himself ?
Consensus ; Dunhill pipes are no longer Dunhill pipes since Richemont took over ?
I saw that earlier today when I googled it also, but I’m not sure how that works into the discussion. If GM bought Porsche, they’d still be Porsche cars.
I suppose this is entering the minefield of philosophical differences 