You are right. Screening for cancer is vital. We had a friend. She had genetic makers for high risk organ cancer and had every nonviable organ removed. She lives today. You are right that smokers can live a long life and not develop cancer, My Dad smokes 3 1/2 cigarettes a day and lived to 97. I ride a motorcycle and enjoy a pipe. For me it is understanding the statistics and make my own decisions. I am not intending to antagonize. That is just me.
Does Pipe Smoking Reduce Stress and/or Blood Pressure?
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No problem. I’m guilty of impassioned replies myself. But, I’m no medical doctor. Just going on what the guy cashing my copay checks tells me, ha ha.
It’s all somewhat a mystery for my knuckle dragging self, ha ha.
You peoples are too easily stressed out. We didn’t even get name calling or creative obscenities, and you guys are already hiding under the tables, ha ha.
Lot of fun you guys are.
Lot of fun you guys are.
Bravo!You peoples are too easily stressed out. We didn’t even get name calling or creative obscenities, and you guys are already hiding under the tables, ha ha.
Lot of fun you guys are.
That’s why we smoke pipes. To reduce the stress from reading a pipe forum about pipe smoking. Now for another bowlYou peoples are too easily stressed out. We didn’t even get name calling or creative obscenities, and you guys are already hiding under the tables, ha ha.
Lot of fun you guys are.
Man, you the DUDE with the genes. He has to eat 500 twinkies a day and a dozen pizzas just to keep from witherin’ up and blowing away. I’m jealous as hell. I eat on McDs hamburger and swell up like a walrus. Ha ha!
Good bit of back and forth there fellas. Surely the two things can be true at the same time. So you can have someone who smokes say, 80 fags a day, and lives to 90, and smoking 80 fags a day can drastically increase your chances of an early death. The two things can be true at the same time. Moral of the story, don't smoke fags. Can pipes give us mouth cancer? Yeah, for sure, but whatever the stats are, we are not running the risks of people who smoke fags, who have a massive chance of getting lung cancer. Our chances of getting mouth cancer, one which has far greater survival chances than lung cancer, are much less.
One's predilection to cancer, mouth, lung, lymphatic and so forth is dependent on many things. Genetics and environment probably being the "big" ones. Your chances of getting mouth cancer are probably different than mine. (I've had one relative I know of who finally died from mouth cancer, it spread. He lived for years eating pap because he survived that long with most of his jaw being removed.) There are many thousands more cigarette smokers than pipe. Ergo, cigarette smoking has received the bulk of the research. And, mouth cancer is only one of the tragic deceases a pipe smoker opens himself to. Heart decease, blood pressure issues and so forth are others,
Just accept the fact that the pipe is a health hazard, fill a bowel, put flame to the blend and enjoy. Forget about trying to justify your choice, get comfortable with it by accepting the risks and enjoying the reward. I don't understand how anyone can enjoy a smoke when they are always trying to justify their poor choice. You're burning money, igniting tobacco, which unleashes the carcinogens, reducing oxygen to your brain, etc. and obviously not enjoying yourself if you are constantly trying to justify your choice. Actions have consequences. You'll find out in time if you've beaten the odds. So, enjoy the smoke as you quietly watch your moneys waft towards the sky/ceiling. Many of us do that.
I smoke cigars and the pipe. I also chew when smoking is prohibited. My brand of cigarettes is no longer available so I no longer smoke them after a titfy year two plus pack a day habit.. I've beaten the odds, according, to statistics with only two bypasses and a pacemaker implanted. I still feel the rewards out weigh the risks.
Not to dog on medicine and stuff, but I swear I recently read a story or was told about someone that never smoked a day in their life that got lung cancer, and their medical doctor absolutely refused to believe they never smoked (since they didn't work in some industrial environment that would lead them to an increased risk of lung cancer). A trained medical doctor believed the only way to get lung cancer was from smoking.
And despite research that proves there is a genetic component to some periodontal disease (that despite not smoking and having good oral health, some people will still get periodontal disease), many dentists still believe the only way you can get it is by smoking and/or not properly brushing and flossing.
Never mind that no matter the field, not just medicine but science and math fields, papers get published all the time that later get retracted. Hell there was a story within the last three years of some scientist having to retract a paper they wrote within a year after getting awarded a nobel prize for said paper. Just because it's in some journal, doesn't mean it's accurate. You can reasonably assume it's maybe fairly accurate, certainly moreso than some anecdote on a forum, but that's no guarantee. Healthy skepticism.
Then there's also problems like this:
www.the-scientist.com
And despite research that proves there is a genetic component to some periodontal disease (that despite not smoking and having good oral health, some people will still get periodontal disease), many dentists still believe the only way you can get it is by smoking and/or not properly brushing and flossing.
Never mind that no matter the field, not just medicine but science and math fields, papers get published all the time that later get retracted. Hell there was a story within the last three years of some scientist having to retract a paper they wrote within a year after getting awarded a nobel prize for said paper. Just because it's in some journal, doesn't mean it's accurate. You can reasonably assume it's maybe fairly accurate, certainly moreso than some anecdote on a forum, but that's no guarantee. Healthy skepticism.
Nobel Prize-winning scientist Frances Arnold retracts paper
A Nobel laureate is being praised for retracting a scientific paper that was not reproducible.
www.bbc.com
Then there's also problems like this:
Nobel Prize Winner Faces Investigation into Paper Integrity
Seventeen studies coauthored by Gregg Semenza have been retracted, some due to apparent data manipulation, and 15 more are currently under investigation.
www.the-scientist.com
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Relaxation is attributable to the ritual of pipe smoking. It also lies in the psychology of the persona we adopt as pipe smokers. Looking for a medical loophole in a difference between cigarette smoking and pipe smoking is self-indulgent sophistry. The ritual calms us and so we accept the health risks.
Not much of a ritualistic smoker save placing a pipe in a bag of tobacco and filling it, but the act of smoking and the nicotine does it for me.
Fair points. I only smoke a bowl a day, more at the weekend when I have a few beers. I enjoy it too much to allow to stop. If I get mouth cancer, so be it.
There are risks and benefits to everything. I’m not sure going on offensive for smoking would help anything, at least not in the near future. Cigarette companies really screwed with people and I think it will take generations to come to a point where tobacco can be seen in more objective ways as a culture. There’s a difference between studying tobacco the plant and how we use it. Stress can be addressed in many different ways. A study would have to show that smoking tobacco lowers it more effectively than anything else. But risks of smoking use are know. I think knowing risks and benefits it’s just helpful in making our own decision. For me I really wonder about the motivation for going on offensive. To me it’s not necessary for us to make tobacco king again but I would like to smoke in peace.
I had an older relative that often said that doctors would kill you before the disease. After seeing a number of malpractice incidents and remembering the boom of medications in the late '90s that ended in class action lawsuits due to unforseen on undisclosed side effects, I'm starting to understand why.
Guys. I just consulted with my rubber ducky. And we've decided, kick your ass, like a fresh cauliflower. I'm sorry about that.
Knowing your relationship with that duck.... it's a little too close to your bourbon snifter.
Yeah, there's just so damn many unnecessary organs in our bodies these days...