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RPK

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The climate has and will continue to change. The universe, which we are a very small part of is too big for us to do much about and affect.

The recent hype is, I believe, is more about marketing and the massive amounts of money to be made by promoting anxiety over what is normal and cyclical.

And there are many that have a new cause / bandwagon to promote / hop on.
 
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I don't know maybe all these news papers are wrong...

Edited to Add: They are wrong about 90% of the time.
 
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telescopes

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The question asked was simple:
Im Just curious how much of a role this plays in the demise of certain blends.
Per usual, the threads hijacked by those wishing to make political statements about climate change , and so on…. Apparently even the existence of aliens factor in.

The question is interesting in and of itself. The OP isn‘t interested in trade, regulations, politics of tobacco. All things easy to side track a simple question. I don’t know the answer. I live in a desert where it rains less than 3 inches a year and drought is a yearly reality and the temps get over 122 degrees with regularity.

It‘s December. I am growing tomatoes. But in the 22 years I’ve lived here, the season has sifted later and later. Normally I had two growing seasons. If this continues, I’ll be left with one. So yes, in terms of the growing season for tomatoes, my second growing period has shrunk in the last two decades of growing tomatoes. the same thing happened with the grapefruit and lime trees. I have one growing season where in the past I easily had two. My response was to cut down the trees and do something else. I can’t speak to tobacco, but here in my part of the world, the Spring ends earlier and summer is ending later Something my own gardening has seen for itself. Neither politics, oil, regulations, etc had an impact on. Just record hot emperstures increasing each and every year. image.jpg


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Now if someone wants to say none of what I am experiencing has to do with 22 years of first hand experience watching the growing seasons get shorter and hotter, … whatever. Grow your own tomatoes and fruit trees. Is tobacco subject to some of these changes? I don’t know because it’s the last thing this thread seems to be focused on.
 
I just think it’s funny. “Cosmic, you’re wrong, because I agree with you.”

Or…
The climate isn’t changing, because it’s always changing, always has.”

Ha ha, read what I’ve said. You’re getting hung up on two words. But, I think we agree. Too funny.

I’m over it all. You guys all have a great rest of your evening.
 

LeafErikson

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Before the flood of ‘44 destroyed the original barn that my great Grand Papi built himself our farm, we would all walk outside and crane our necks up to look at the old weathervane that sat atop that rusted roof. The weathervane was in the shape of a rooster, that we ended up naming Fritz. Well, old Fritz would sometimes point north, and sometimes point south, but we always knew that as long as Fritz was there to guide us on our days as we toiled and worked that beautiful black soil on our farm, that everything would be alright. Sometimes at the end of a long, hard day of milking cows and growing corn, we would head down to the local honky tonk for a cold one. I would always imagine that Fritz was right there with me at the bar, sharing a beer with me.

It kind’ve reminds me of a song. 🙂

 
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Few people know that only about 10,000 years ago, the largest freshwater lake on the planet was in the middle of the now Sahara Desert.
That's a lot of NATURAL change in a short period of time that man had nothing to do with.
Just within the last 100 years, farmers clearing lands in the Midwest caused the Dust Bowl.
 

BingBong

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The trouble is, human lifespans are too short to appreciate "long term" cycles - which is anything over, say, 80 years. And which most climate cycles are, I suspect.

If any crop, including tobacco, is struggling now in a CO2 richer environment, we should be looking at pollutants which affect hormone balances and the like. We have bee colony die-off which is worrying and unexplained; the cause could be chemical or electromagnetic or a host of possible man-made causes which are new to the last few decades. We just don't know and there appears to be little will to find out.

We should also be realistic about the magnetic pole shift, magnetic field strength weakening and the consequences of that (natural) cycle.

Or it's simply an inverse relationship between the number of pipe smokers and weather stability. More pipe smokers, more stable climate.
 
Tobacco is also a reactive plant. Just look at how it quickly adapts to different environments and develops different flavors. The less nutrients in the soil, the more flavonoids develop, similar to some herbs. Tarragon is one that has a lot more flavor if you just grow it in sand, rather than a richer soil.

We will see shifts on flavors, maybe not drastic nor very fast, but it is and will change in some way. As it has already changed, and continues to change.
 
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telescopes

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Contributed to.........
And what would the impact have been without the "Contributed". Contributed is a useless word devoid of context. The man who drove the bank robber to the bank contributed to the robbery. Only one of them did the real damage.

How about this... let's try to keep mankind's contributions to poisoning our air and water to a minimum, i.e. the Cuyahoga River, the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, or my favorite place down the road from me when I was growing up, Time's Beach in Missouri. Those were what, just contributions. We don't just what part our contributions will end up contributing to our ability to survive on this planet, but prudence should be foremost in the front of our thinking.
 
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FLDRD

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And what would the impact have been without the "Contributed". Contributed is a useless word devoid of context. The man who drove the bank robber to the bank contributed to the robbery. Only one of them did the real damage.

How about this... let's try to keep mankind's contributions to poisoning our air and water to a minimum, i.e. the Cuyahoga River, the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, or my favorite place down the road from me when I was growing up, Time's Beach in Missouri. Those were what, just contributions. We don't just what part our contributions will end up contributing to our ability to survive on this planet, but prudence should be foremost in the front of our thinking.
He said "caused", as if it were the only factor.
But that's not true.
1. There would have been no dust bowl without a drought, which come and go and was not man-made.
2. There was a significant impact on the health of the soil on the plains by decimating the bison. That was man-made.
But I wasn't debating the amount of man-made influence on the dust bowl, simply that tilling up the natural grasses and soils CONTRIBUTED to it - but was absolutely NOT the only cause.
 
He said "caused", as if it were the only factor.
But that's not true.
1. There would have been no dust bowl without a drought, which come and go and was not man-made.
2. There was a significant impact on the health of the soil on the plains by decimating the bison. That was man-made.
But I wasn't debating the amount of man-made influence on the dust bowl, simply that tilling up the natural grasses and soils CONTRIBUTED to it - but was absolutely NOT the only cause.
You may be right. (To begin with, I never said man caused the current climate change. Just to be clear)
But, we do know now, that removing the trees did “contribute” to the droughts of the 30’s. Trees hold a lot of water and release them to help control water for agriculture. They tried to offset that by planting trees between crops… and many other things that caused more problems latter on, like kudzu.
But sure, it was most likely not 100% people. Plus, the dustbowl only affected one area, not the world. But, I mentioned it as a more recent climate change.
 
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