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telescopes

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No, but we are subject to Nature and Acts of God. Neither can be litigated nor responsibility accessed. Willful Acts of Man on the other hand can be mitigated and in today's world, litigated. No one cares about God's Contributions - to quote Solomon, it rains on the just and unjust alike. And yes, any rational person, ( Cosmic most likely fits that description, but he should be the judge of that, LOL), considers saying in a forum that ....caused the dust bowl singularly means it was only due to those factors. When we think of Dust Bowl historically, we are referring specifically to the contributions of over plowing ...and how it did contribute .... to the disaster that followed the drought.

My response, (if I am wrong in my assumption, I concede my assumption), is that when someone is quick to point out the word contribution, it is a latent attempt to minimize conversations around the actual disastrous impact man has on his surrounding environment while maximizing the impact nature contributes. I agree that nature can be a dirty and fickle partner. But it is a partner, and when we fail to do our part in being a partner with nature, the fickleness of nature is exacerbated and magnified negatively. The Mississippi Delta region is a case in point. Human carelessness and lack of planning and utilizing resources around the Delta magnified the impact of Katrina on New Orleans. The city would have been slapped hard by the hurricane - no doubt. It was given a near KO because humans obliterated many of the natural protections that nature had build up over the years.

I live maybe seven miles south of the San Andreas fault. I know where I live. I would NEVER live in a masonry home built of bricks in this area. Water resources are scarce and yet, with proper planning, we maintain a 53 year reserve of ground water that is replenished each year through careful planning. Many would say why not use the water you already have rather than look for other sources that cost way too much in comparrsion? Because not only is the water gone when it is gone, the impact on the valley floor on a sinking valley would destroy and put at risk of an even more magnified eventual earthquake the people who live here.

Do environmentalist have all the answers? No. But we won't move toward a reasoned solution so long as discussions like the one in this thread are always shut down by negativity - not that this was your intent because I know it wasn't. My response really was less a reply to you directly and more a reply to the overall responses of many others who love to jump on the ...yeh man, but what about this... argument. I regret any confusion in my initial reply. Forums suck at nuance. As always, I do appreciate your thoughtful contributions to discussions.
 
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My response, (if I am wrong in my assumption, I concede my assumption), is that when someone is quick to point out the word contribution, it is a latent attempt to minimize conversations around the actual disastrous impact man has on his surrounding environment while maximizing the impact nature contributes.
Not what I was doing.
I was simply pointing out more than one contribution.
I named 2 I could immediately think of.
One was natural, one was man-made.
Simple.
End of reasoning for my statement.
:)
 
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So I'm gathering that by "climate change" those who use this term mean changes in the weather, maybe even over long periods of time.

So who in the hell can predict what the weather will do in a month, much less figure out what the weather will do over the next decades?

That's the problem with the whole "you gotta admit the climate is changing" thing. Your trying to get someone to acknowledge that the weather changes to bolster your point. No shit the weather changes.

The reason for the quailty and production decrease of tobacco is because of a lack of demand.

Once you buy into the whole climate change narrative of increasing temperatures and bad weather, I'd guess you see it affecting everything.

I have December tomatoes too. I usually don't, but I do this year. I also remember my dad bringing tomatoes to our Christmas party when I was a kid... He had Decemeber tomatoes in the 90's. What does that mean? Nothing in my view.

Also, what is political about saying we don't know if the damn climate is changing?
 
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Let’s suppose, for fuck’s sake, that man is solely responsibly for Climate Change and that man alone is the only hope for our world and all of its tiny inhabitants….
Don't worry. The same, smart people who created all of the technology over the years that generated the mess, will be the ones to save us!
 

olkofri

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Yeah, well, maybe the current tobacco crops suck because they've been quite busy banning/restricting fertilisers, in order to... **cough, cough** ...fight the unexistent chimera of climate "change".

Ah, well, just a thought that occurred to me whilst looking at this thread. But what do I know? I'm not a farmer nor do I have a degree in agronomy. I only have a degree in geoscience. 🤷‍♂️
 
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geoffs

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This has nothing to do with tobacco, but makes some interesting points about climate hysteria:
Some people here might love it. Others might hate it. But it's worth watching because it outlines a narrative we don't get exposed to by the mainstream media.
 

telescopes

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Whether this forum is over represented with Denisovans or Homo floresiensis, clearly Gnosiophobia is in abundance and not endanger of going extinct. Regardless of how true this may be, I can certainly understand certain reactions to science that some have here - there are plenty of lemmings on the left who jump to their deaths chasing after the idiot in front of them. An example of this can be found in an article by the WHO regarding the dangers of tobacco on our environment and climate. It is so ridiculous it could be thought to have been written as a parody of far leftist thinking or a conversation of a group of West Hollywood Californians. WHO raises alarm on tobacco industry environmental impact - https://www.who.int/news/item/31-05-2022-who-raises-alarm-on-tobacco-industry-environmental-impact

The article blames tobacco on loss of forest, climate change (that one was quite a leap in logic - CO2 emissions due to transportation of the product), pollution, poisoning the environment, etc. The article is represented of the type of parochial and tribally stupid thinking that actually causes people to loose faith in journalist and scientist, much less anyone from the government.

@Sigmund asked a reasonable question and a reasonable conversation should have been able to follow.

Regretfully what occurred is what far too often occurs - threads are highjacked by those who are more interested in arguing about the question rather than engaging in the actual question. If you don't like the question, use your ignore button.
 
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"Climate Change" is a triggering term for many, good or bad, because it's been thrown in everyone's face now for years.

Rephrased........"What are the collective thoughts on changing weather patterns across growing regions and the impact they have on tobacco farmers" may have initiated a cleaner response. Maybe.

You say "Climate Change" though, and you kind of get what you get and that should be pretty expected.
 

dd57chevy

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I find it more than a little curious that the climate crusaders exclusively target The West........
Beijing 2024 :
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Are those backing this apocalyptic view really concerned about the Earth's environment ? Or could there be other motives ? Monetary ??? More control over a fearful , cowering populace ???

Yea , it's a real headscratcher.............. :rolleyes:
 
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Pipke

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Regretfully what occurred is what far too often occurs - threads are highjacked by those who are more interested in arguing about the question rather than engaging in the actual question. If you don't like the question, use your ignore button.

So... when a question is framed with a premise, we are to automatically accept the truth of a premise, and discuss? Would that make you happy?
 

dd57chevy

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So... when a question is framed with a premise, we are to automatically accept the truth of a premise, and discuss? Would that make you happy?
Exactly ! Akin to " Prove to me that you're not a racist !"
 
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