Maybe they just don't have the supply? Their blenders are not a huge fan of it? Just had me wondering
C&D Does Not Use Dark Fired In Their Bulk Blends. Wondering Why...
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Good to ask the source: @jeremyreeves
So, you are saying that they don't use Dark Fired in any of their bulk blends? Are you certain?
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Ok, so I am confused. Did he just mean Dark Fired wasn't offered in bulk as a condimental blender, or that none of their bulks have dark fired added as a condiment?
Yeah, I would tend to argue on the "yes, they do" side of things but the truth is I really don't know. As ofafeather suggested it would be better to ask the guy that does their blending (Jeremy Reeve).
Belmont Station, Shelbyton, and Engine #113 all have DFK in them, I think there is others as well.
Yes, in there blends as a component. At least not that I've seen
Redburn has some...
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I did just scan through the bulks offered on SP.com, and sure enough, the blends I was certain had dark fired as a component don't have it listed as components on their website. But, that could be merely my misunderstanding what has DF or not... or someone just left it off the list of components.
...except Engine 113, like Canuckle says.
...except Engine 113, like Canuckle says.
OK I stand corrected. Engine 113 does in fact contain dark fired. My mistake.
The sp tobacco locator with the following filters
Type:Bulk
Brand: Cornell and Diehl
Components include: Dark fired Kentucky
Returned these results
Type:Bulk
Brand: Cornell and Diehl
Components include: Dark fired Kentucky
Returned these results
You'd think with everyone adding Dark Fired to VaPers, that there'd be a lot more.
This was the reason for my thread. I was wrong to state that none of the blends contain it, but you'd think there would be more of them.
Things I thought had some DF in them, I was surprised it wasn't. Big and Burley is one that I was certain had it. But, then again, Jeremy told us that people who write this stuff often don't include everything in the descriptions.
A lot of blend descriptions are incomplete. That's been the case for just about ever. Might be condimental amounts that don't get mentioned, sort of like the Latakia in Fillmore, that sort of thing.
All that said I've wondered for a long time what makes a blend go bulk and what prevents it. I assume it's a variety of factors but what are the standards? I suspect the main factor is trying to push our buttons but not too far.
I keep checking back to see if he has replied yet, but I'm certain Jeremy gets a notification on his phone, and immediately thinks, "Crap, stupid questions from those morons, and that asshole Cosmic is probably going to dis my favorite rock opera band again." 
Hey guys. We do use Dark Fired in a few of our Bulk offerings, as you've noted. We offer Dark Fired in Bulk, as well as using the exact same Dark Fired leaf in Belmont Station, Engine #113 and Shelbyton. This is the same DFK that we use in all the tinned blends that contain DFK, except Savinelli 140th and Sansepolcro. Dark Fired is a challenging leaf type to process, and so it's not always in stock in Bulk. As for it not being used in Bulk blends as much, that's more just how it has happened, rather than by any sort of conscious design.
We use a lot of Dark Fired KY in tinned products, in the C&D, GL Pease, Briarworks, and Warped lines. As for not listing it in descriptions, we don't do that very often with any component and we always have disclosed DFK in blends. Speakeasy, for example, contains nearly 3% Dark Fired. That's the smallest quantity of Dark Fired used in any of the blends that call for it, but we still mention it in the description. Why? Because, to me, it's presence is unmistakable, even in such small proportion. There is no instance where we have ever substituted DFK for Perique at the blending level and we do not intend to start. I have recently addressed that elsewhere on this forum. If that is something that some manufacturers are doing, I find the idea puzzling, like substituting Liquid Smoke for Hoisin Sauce and expecting no one to notice. All that I can say for certain is that this is not something we are doing, nor is any ]one who is making Perique, substituting Dark FIred leaf and passing it off as Perique. There is a processed Dark Fired, that gets pressed in barrels for a year, like Perique. It is made by Mark Ryan for exclusively for one cigar manufacturer. That product is called Cajun Black, is a totally different product from Perique and would not sub in for Perique, due to smell, taste and strength differences. It is also more expensive, with lots less of that product being made than Perique. The whole notion of swapping DFK for Perique doesn't make any sense to me and I have heard no concrete evidence that anyone is doing it. I have heard only that HU blend, which is a VA/Per/DFK blend, seemed more DFK forward in more recent batches. For what that's worth.
Oh and no, there is no Dark Fired in Big n' Burley, just Dark Burley, Perique, Latakia and Oriental.
Hope this helps!
We use a lot of Dark Fired KY in tinned products, in the C&D, GL Pease, Briarworks, and Warped lines. As for not listing it in descriptions, we don't do that very often with any component and we always have disclosed DFK in blends. Speakeasy, for example, contains nearly 3% Dark Fired. That's the smallest quantity of Dark Fired used in any of the blends that call for it, but we still mention it in the description. Why? Because, to me, it's presence is unmistakable, even in such small proportion. There is no instance where we have ever substituted DFK for Perique at the blending level and we do not intend to start. I have recently addressed that elsewhere on this forum. If that is something that some manufacturers are doing, I find the idea puzzling, like substituting Liquid Smoke for Hoisin Sauce and expecting no one to notice. All that I can say for certain is that this is not something we are doing, nor is any ]one who is making Perique, substituting Dark FIred leaf and passing it off as Perique. There is a processed Dark Fired, that gets pressed in barrels for a year, like Perique. It is made by Mark Ryan for exclusively for one cigar manufacturer. That product is called Cajun Black, is a totally different product from Perique and would not sub in for Perique, due to smell, taste and strength differences. It is also more expensive, with lots less of that product being made than Perique. The whole notion of swapping DFK for Perique doesn't make any sense to me and I have heard no concrete evidence that anyone is doing it. I have heard only that HU blend, which is a VA/Per/DFK blend, seemed more DFK forward in more recent batches. For what that's worth.
Oh and no, there is no Dark Fired in Big n' Burley, just Dark Burley, Perique, Latakia and Oriental.
Hope this helps!
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