C&D Does Not Use Dark Fired In Their Bulk Blends. Wondering Why...

[gervais]

Hey guys. We do use Dark Fired in a few of our Bulk offerings, as you've noted. We offer Dark Fired in Bulk, as well as using the exact same Dark Fired leaf in Belmont Station, Engine #113 and Shelbyton. This is the same DFK that we use in all the tinned blends that contain DFK, except Savinelli 140th and Sansepolcro. Dark Fired is a challenging leaf type to process, and so it's not always in stock in Bulk. As for it not being used in Bulk blends as much, that's more just how it has happened, rather than by any sort of conscious design.

We use a lot of Dark Fired KY in tinned products, in the C&D, GL Pease, Briarworks, and Warped lines. As for not listing it in descriptions, we don't do that very often with any component and we always have disclosed DFK in blends. Speakeasy, for example, contains nearly 3% Dark Fired. That's the smallest quantity of Dark Fired used in any of the blends that call for it, but we still mention it in the description. Why? Because, to me, it's presence is unmistakable, even in such small proportion. There is no instance where we have ever substituted DFK for Perique at the blending level and we do not intend to start. I have recently addressed that elsewhere on this forum. If that is something that some manufacturers are doing, I find the idea puzzling, like substituting Liquid Smoke for Hoisin Sauce and expecting no one to notice. All that I can say for certain is that this is not something we are doing, nor is any ]one who is making Perique, substituting Dark FIred leaf and passing it off as Perique. There is a processed Dark Fired, that gets pressed in barrels for a year, like Perique. It is made by Mark Ryan for exclusively for one cigar manufacturer. That product is called Cajun Black, is a totally different product from Perique and would not sub in for Perique, due to smell, taste and strength differences. It is also more expensive, with lots less of that product being made than Perique. The whole notion of swapping DFK for Perique doesn't make any sense to me and I have heard no concrete evidence that anyone is doing it. I have heard only that HU blend, which is a VA/Per/DFK blend, seemed more DFK forward in more recent batches. For what that's worth.

Oh and no, there is no Dark Fired in Big n' Burley, just Dark Burley, Perique, Latakia and Oriental.

Hope this helps!

Thanks for that info Jeremy, much appreciated!

 

[jeremyreeves]

I keep checking back to see if he has replied yet, but I'm certain Jeremy gets a notification on his phone, and immediately thinks, "Crap, stupid questions from those morons, and that asshole Cosmic is probably going to dis my favorite rock opera band again."

My favorite examples of rock opera are Frank Zappa (Joe's Garage) Tom Waits (Frank's Wild Years, The Black Rider) or Hammers of Misfortune (The Bastard). Yes is a great example of prog rock with masterful musicianship, but in my opinion, they are not nearly story focused enough to be considered rock opera. (Insert buck-tooth, glasses, nerd emoji here.)

 

[cosmicfolklore]

My favorite examples of rock opera are Frank Zappa (Joe's Garage) Tom Waits (Frank's Wild Years, The Black Rider) or Hammers of Misfortune (The Bastard). Yes is a great example of prog rock with masterful musicianship, but in my opinion, they are not nearly story focused enough to be considered rock opera. (Insert buck-tooth, glasses, nerd emoji here.)

My college roommate and friend for life has your exact same taste in music. I love the idea of Zappa and Waits is an awesome character, but I just can't stand any of their... music? Is that what they call it? And, I was tortured with it constantly. Ha ha.
Being a Fogerty, Melencamp, and bluegrass buff myself, I just never would have guessed that a master Appalachian artisan of the burleys would prefer progressive conceptual songs about eating yellow snow.

 

[jeremyreeves]

My college roommate and friend for life has your exact same taste in music. I love the idea of Zappa and Waits is an awesome character, but I just can't stand any of their... music? Is that what they call it? And, I was tortured with it constantly. Ha ha.
Being a Fogerty, Melencamp, and bluegrass buff myself, I just never would have guessed that a master Appalachian artisan of the burleys would prefer progressive conceptual songs about eating yellow snow.

I find them at least preferable to literal songs about eating yellow snow! And I love bluegrass Ralph Stanley, Bill Monroe, old country like Earnest Tubb, Hank Sr. and Bob Wills, outlaw country ala Willie, Waylon, Johnny, Chris and David, not to mention jazz, punk, metal, new wave, psych, industrial, noise rock, garage, folk (Phil Ochs, Billy Bragg, Townes Van Zandt), Skynyrd.... We could hash music all day, even if you don't like Yes!

 

[anotherbob]

Hey guys. We do use Dark Fired in a few of our Bulk offerings, as you've noted. We offer Dark Fired in Bulk, as well as using the exact same Dark Fired leaf in Belmont Station, Engine #113 and Shelbyton. This is the same DFK that we use in all the tinned blends that contain DFK, except Savinelli 140th and Sansepolcro. Dark Fired is a challenging leaf type to process, and so it's not always in stock in Bulk. As for it not being used in Bulk blends as much, that's more just how it has happened, rather than by any sort of conscious design.

We use a lot of Dark Fired KY in tinned products, in the C&D, GL Pease, Briarworks, and Warped lines. As for not listing it in descriptions, we don't do that very often with any component and we always have disclosed DFK in blends. Speakeasy, for example, contains nearly 3% Dark Fired. That's the smallest quantity of Dark Fired used in any of the blends that call for it, but we still mention it in the description. Why? Because, to me, it's presence is unmistakable, even in such small proportion. There is no instance where we have ever substituted DFK for Perique at the blending level and we do not intend to start. I have recently addressed that elsewhere on this forum. If that is something that some manufacturers are doing, I find the idea puzzling, like substituting Liquid Smoke for Hoisin Sauce and expecting no one to notice. All that I can say for certain is that this is not something we are doing, nor is any ]one who is making Perique, substituting Dark FIred leaf and passing it off as Perique. There is a processed Dark Fired, that gets pressed in barrels for a year, like Perique. It is made by Mark Ryan for exclusively for one cigar manufacturer. That product is called Cajun Black, is a totally different product from Perique and would not sub in for Perique, due to smell, taste and strength differences. It is also more expensive, with lots less of that product being made than Perique. The whole notion of swapping DFK for Perique doesn't make any sense to me and I have heard no concrete evidence that anyone is doing it. I have heard only that HU blend, which is a VA/Per/DFK blend, seemed more DFK forward in more recent batches. For what that's worth.

Oh and no, there is no Dark Fired in Big n' Burley, just Dark Burley, Perique, Latakia and Oriental.

Hope this helps!

already answered. And you've good taste in music. Now I am going to go listen to some Can and wish I could smoke my pipe at work.
Thanks for the info too.

 

[mingc]

My college roommate and friend for life has your exact same taste in music. I love the idea of Zappa and Waits is an awesome character, but I just can't stand any of their... music? Is that what they call it? And, I was tortured with it constantly. Ha ha.
Being a Fogerty, Melencamp, and bluegrass buff myself, I just never would have guessed that a master Appalachian artisan of the burleys would prefer progressive conceptual songs about eating yellow snow.

At the risk of derailing this thread, there's young Tom Waits and there's older Tom Waits. Now, as for the young Tom Waits, how can any song be more bitter-sweet than Christmas Card from a Hooker in Minneapolis? I need to know!

 

[jeremyreeves]

already answered. And you've good taste in music. Now I am going to go listen to some Can and wish I could smoke my pipe at work.
Thanks for the info too.

Your very welcome! Cosmic is giving me a hard time about liking bands like Yes.

 

[Worknman]

I have heard only that HU blend, which is a VA/Per/DFK blend, seemed more DFK forward in more recent batches. For what that's worth.

I think Directors Cut is the one you're referring to. Jiminks and others have said it appears they recently upped the DFK and lessened the perique which thru off the balance in the blend. Whether that was just a one off or is the new recipe is anyones guess

 

[edger]

My college roommate and friend for life has your exact same taste in music. I love the idea of Zappa and Waits is an awesome character, but I just can't stand any of their... music? Is that what they call it? And, I was tortured with it constantly. Ha ha.
Being a Fogerty, Melencamp, and bluegrass buff myself, I just never would have guessed that a master Appalachian artisan of the burleys would prefer progressive conceptual songs about eating yellow snow.

It's because you are an old fart like me, Cosmic. Own it.

 

[anotherbob]

Your very welcome! Cosmic is giving me a hard time about liking bands like Yes.

Of all the bands he could be totally wrong about. I think he hates bass players especially ones that have any unique or special talents. I mean with love Cosmic but there is something terribly wrong with him, something no medication can help. And not just that he's got broken ears. Wait till I try and force him to listen to something like The Legendary Pink Dots (his head might explode, so I'll make sure to record the whole thing [for science of course]).

 

[logs]

I think Directors Cut is the one you're referring to. Jiminks and others have said it appears they recently upped the DFK and lessened the perique which thru off the balance in the blend. Whether that was just a one off or is the new recipe is anyones guess

Three Nuns is the other famous example of dark fired being used in what was once a perique blend.

 

[ofafeather]

Three Nuns is the other famous example of dark fired being used in what was once a perique blend.

Yeah, but that change was almost 20 years ago.

 

[Chasing Embers]

Cosmic is giving me a hard time about liking bands like Yes.

Hard to be the owner of a lonely heart?

 

[canucklehead]

Hard to be the owner of a lonely heart?

It Can Happen

 

[logs]

Yeah, but that change was almost 20 years ago.

Which is when perique was almost extinct.

 

[logs]

But also it's Mac Baren's version. Sort of makes sense they'd use dark fired since they don't generally make perique blends. Aside from their discontinued Acadien Perique, I can't think of any perique blends they produce. Dark fired is always their preferred spice tobacco.

 

[Chasing Embers]

It Can Happen

I hear its much better than an owner of a broken heart.

 

[karam]

But also it's Mac Baren's version. Sort of makes sense they'd use dark fired since they don't generally make perique blends. Aside from their discontinued Acadien Perique, I can't think of any perique blends they produce. Dark fired is always their preferred spice tobacco.

Odd, I didn't so but you're right they don't make many perique blends, and only one under the MacBaren brand in fact. I wonder why, given there are so many VaPers on the market, I bet they could make up a brilliant HH VaPer, especially considering the amazing HH Acadian Perique is sadly discontinued - not true VaPer at all though. Maybe Acadian Perique was their answer to VaPers and given they needed to remove it to make way for other blends they consider the VaPer field saturated.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

HH Acadian Perique is sadly discontinued

The same tins of this are still on the shelves at The Briary, at least they were before covid. I bought one early on and it tasted like a kitchen sink blend to me. a whole lot of stuff in there. I didn't realize anyone liked it. You might check around at B&Ms if you want more of it. I don't think it was wildly popular. Most likely they will have some age on them as well.

 

[ofafeather]

The same tins of this are still on the shelves at The Briary, at least they were before covid. I bought one early on and it tasted like a kitchen sink blend to me. a whole lot of stuff in there. I didn't realize anyone liked it. You might check around at B&Ms if you want more of it. I don't think it was wildly popular. Most likely they will have some age on them as well.

I thought it was a good blend and have a couple of pounds stashed. It is funny how things flow though. Make it into a coin cut and mention perique and you’re golden.