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Perhaps it would have been better if they would have just taken Cosby out back of the jail and shot him in the head. Why bother with "innocent until proven guilty", civil liberties and the actual law? That seems to be the feelings of many who have posted on this thread. All sounds good and may in fact been justified in this case. However, what about if you or a loved one were falsely accused of a heinous crime? Somebody has to pay, even if they're not guilty and their rights are trampled into the ground, right? There are places that operate that way, China, Russia, Cuba and a number of 3rd world countries ruled by a tyrant. Be careful what you wish for.
I have seen examples of this in my family and professional life. On was accused as a minor of inappropriate behavior and lost all his freedoms for a year. It turns out the judge cared about the evidence and saw the major flaws in the accuser's case. The problem is, she has accused 3 others since then with one going to jail. There are predators on both sides.

He will never get that year, or his reputation back.
 

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Perhaps it would have been better if they would have just taken Cosby out back of the jail and shot him in the head. Why bother with "innocent until proven guilty", civil liberties and the actual law? That seems to be the feelings of many who have posted on this thread. All sounds good and may in fact been justified in this case. However, what about if you or a loved one were falsely accused of a heinous crime? Somebody has to pay, even if they're not guilty and their rights are trampled into the ground, right? There are places that operate that way, China, Russia, Cuba and a number of 3rd world countries ruled by a tyrant. Be careful what you wish for.
Your right but I feel doing away with death penalties is just as unwise. I don’t believe someone like the Iceman will ever be rehabilitated so why keep them feed, housed, and securely locked away at a cost to we the people. If he would have been convicted of 60 prior instances of rape I’d say he wouldn’t be capable of rehabilitation so why bother with the effort? It’s my thoughts and feeling that there is no such thing as perfect, it’s a man made concept nature doesn’t follow. So there will never be a perfect system just the most effective which is the one that has been most copied around the world.
 
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When OJ was tried I knew he would get off. Why? Money and influence win every time. I'm surprised Cosby did a day of time.

Lawyers are thugs in suits and judges can be bought for the asking. The grim reality of this is that if you're young and black and go to court, you're going to do time. A very high percent of the young black male population is in Jail.

This has nothing to do with justice but instead striking judicial racism.
If I had been on the jury I would have definitely acquitted OJ. One of the lead invesigators was asked if he was a racist, and if he had framed OJ. He refused to answer on the grounds that to do so would incriminate himself. If a cop refuses to deny that he has framed someone, how can anyone convict? Add to that, the fact that a lot of the jury were African-American, who likely would have themselves been treated by police in this way, or have family members who were, and an aquittal was always inevitable. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying OJ was innocent, he was guilty as sin, but the failure to secure a conviction is not because of crocked solicitors, but because of racist policemen who couldn't deny being racist and crooked and thus totally undermined the case against him.
 
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Your right but I feel doing away with death penalties is just as unwise. I don’t believe someone like the Iceman will ever be rehabilitated so why keep them feed, housed, and securely locked away at a cost to we the people. If he would have been convicted of 60 prior instances of rape I’d say he wouldn’t be capable of rehabilitation so why bother with the effort?
I didn't propose doing away with the death penalty. I proposed that regardless of the crime or the person, they are innocent until proven guilty, they have a right to their day in court and the system absolutely must follow the rules in pursuing a conviction. In some cases, such as this one with Crosby, that may not seem "fair". However, you'd be out of your mind to want government appointed people deciding on their own when the rules must be applied and when they can be overlooked and defining fair. In order to protect us from the Government and being unjustly accused, it sometimes works the other way.

The real villain here is the over zealous, incompetent DA who took a shortcut instead of doing their job properly. Had they followed the process, chances are reasonable Crosby would have lost all his wealth in civil proceedings and been properly convicted of his alleged crimes.
 

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I didn't propose doing away with the death penalty. I proposed that regardless of the crime or the person, they are innocent until proven guilty, they have a right to their day in court and the system absolutely must follow the rules in pursuing a conviction. In some cases, such as this one with Crosby, that may not seem "fair". However, you'd be out of your mind to want government appointed people deciding on their own when the rules must be applied and when they can be overlooked and defining fair. In order to protect us from the Government and being unjustly accused, it sometimes works the other way.

The real villain here is the over zealous, incompetent DA who took a shortcut instead of doing their job properly. Had they followed the process, chances are reasonable Crosby would have lost all his wealth in civil proceedings and been properly convicted of his alleged crimes.
I misunderstood your post, my apologies. I agree with what you said wholeheartedly.
 
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The OJ verdict is more an example of jury nullification than his money "buying" a better defense.
So hiring the team of lawyers like Johnny Cochran, Allan Dershowitz and F.Lee Bailey didn't make a difference? I think it made the difference between guilty and not guilty.
The DA and the prosecution team were naive and inexperienced idiots had no idea what they were getting into. OJ's lawyers were the one's that framed the trial in a way that made it possible to have jury nullification because they were paid millions to use their scum-bag talents. If the prosecution would have been top dollar lawyers, they wouldn't have allowed the OJ team to do their thing.
 
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Perhaps it would have been better if they would have just taken Cosby out back of the jail and shot him in the head. Why bother with "innocent until proven guilty", civil liberties and the actual law? That seems to be the feelings of many who have posted on this thread. All sounds good and may in fact been justified in this case. However, what about if you or a loved one were falsely accused of a heinous crime? Somebody has to pay, even if they're not guilty and their rights are trampled into the ground, right? There are places that operate that way, China, Russia, Cuba and a number of 3rd world countries ruled by a tyrant. Be careful what you wish for.
Given his crimes it's easy to get carried away with reprisal.
 

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So hiring the team of lawyers like Johnny Cochran, Allan Dershowitz and F.Lee Bailey didn't make a difference? I think it made the difference between guilty and not guilty.
The DA and the prosecution team were naive and inexperienced idiots had no idea what they were getting into. OJ's lawyers were the one's that framed the trial in a way that made it possible to have jury nullification because they were paid millions to use their scum-bag talents. If the prosecution would have been top dollar lawyers, they wouldn't have allowed the OJ team to do their thing.
The people of the county got what they voted for.
 
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The issue here is that the prosecutor made public statements that he would not prosecute Cosby if he testified in the civil case. If a prosecutor makes an attestation like this, then it precludes using the fifth amendment as there is no more fear of self-incrimination, forcing Cosby to testify in the civil suit. Then he went back and prosecuted anyway. Cosby SHOULD be in jail on criminal charges, but the prosecutor blew it and Cosby deserves to be out of jail. This appeal is more about due process than it is about anything Cosby did. Having money to pay for good lawyers certainly helps…
 
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True but, any first year law student could have argued the point successfully. Hell, any high school civics student thirty years ago could have made a successful argument in front of the Pennsylvania supremes.
If civics was still taught we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
 
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So what I'm hearing is we need to kill the education and legal system? I especially love that some think they know what is taught without experiencing what is taught. Armchair quarterbacks for the win in this thread.
 
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So hiring the team of lawyers like Johnny Cochran, Allan Dershowitz and F.Lee Bailey didn't make a difference? I think it made the difference between guilty and not guilty.
The DA and the prosecution team were naive and inexperienced idiots had no idea what they were getting into. OJ's lawyers were the one's that framed the trial in a way that made it possible to have jury nullification because they were paid millions to use their scum-bag talents. If the prosecution would have been top dollar lawyers, they wouldn't have allowed the OJ team to do their thing.
According to Carrie Bess, who was one of the jurors, the jury had made up it's collective mind to acquit independent of anything presented at trial.
 
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I've read that. I also believe the DAs were caught with their pants down more than once. Pre-trial prep is a must. And, it must be thorough. I think "the people" felt they had a simple case, easy to win. The defense only needs to get one of twelve in their corner. And, in my experience, without a tough judge jury trials are mostly about which side puts on the best show, the defendant in that case was an easily likeable, indeed revered, character. Jury selection is the single most important stage of a jury trial.
 
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