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Sep 27, 2012
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And dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the bible because the earth is Only 6000 years old... They never existed.
There... Nice little push to tip the the train over... :P I'm such an ass :P

 

beerandbaccy

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 22, 2015
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Having dated a Muslim when I was younger, I looked into the Koran, - Half of it is exactly the same as the Old Testament! (Torah & Nevi'im). There are so many similarities between the three religions (Islam, Christianity, Judaism)- (esp. origins) that the mind boggles why we've all spent the best part of 1500 years fighting each other!!
I think am going to start a new pipe related religion where you worship by lighting a bowl as an act of worship!! :puffy:

 

elbert

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 10, 2015
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Did K-16 in Catholic schools...personally I have a pretty large blind spot where the Talmud is concerned. I think I have a copy that I never read, somewhere here abouts...
For comparative religion I like Huston Smith, The World's Religions. Been meaning to read Stephen Prothero--God Is Not One; The Eight Rival Religions That Run The World. But it's better to read about religion from folks who are a part of them--and best to read the holy texts themselves.

 

elbert

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 10, 2015
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I just like to see how other cultures, including the Hebrews, have approached the big questions. Any road, it's one of the foundational texts of the western canon. Worth reading for its own sake, apart from the question of faith.

 

perdurabo

Lifer
Jun 3, 2015
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Oh Sh#t I didn't leave it. Mark and Luke were Jews. There is nothing specific stating About Luke. It doesn't matter in the long run though. I sure the Bible App is cool. About to enjoy some Dunhill Elizabethean Mixture and enjoy some Bill Granger.

 

drunkblowhard

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 30, 2015
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I'd like to register as an official member of beerandbaccy's new religion. I might sit down and say my delicious prayers right now.

 

beerandbaccy

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 22, 2015
298
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I'd like to register as an official member of beerandbaccy's new religion. I might sit down and say my delicious prayers right now.
Welcome Brother drunkblowhard!

 

conlejm

Lifer
Mar 22, 2014
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I am not a particularly spiritual person, but I do enjoy learning about religions. I also enjoy learning about the religions of bygone eras, such as Greek, Norse, Finnish, Celtic, and the like. Tolkien assimilated a lot of this into his Ainulindale and Valaquenta in the Silmarillion. Taoism is a very interesting philosophy. The writings of John Calvin and the early Puritan writers are especially fun to wrestle with. Try a read of the Westminster Confession of Faith if you want a crash course in predestination and the doctrines of grace.
Anyway, my favorite Christian Bible app is e-sword. It's free, (though there are modules for purchase within), but pretty robust.

 
Mar 1, 2014
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I'd like to register as an official member of beerandbaccy's new religion. I might sit down and say my delicious prayers right now.
Seriously, do it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg
Where I live it's probably a lot more complicated, but in the states it sounds like you could actually get something serious going. I've also read that there are insurance exemptions for religious tobacco use, and potentially other legal benefits.

Really with a system like that there's no reason not to.

 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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Where I live it's probably a lot more complicated, but in the states it sounds like you could actually get something serious going.
Don't overestimate religious tolerance in the USA. Satanism may be tolerated (even somewhat popular these days) but a genuine evil such as tobacco use is probably going too far.

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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How come the dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the Bible?
A religion for humans does not need to cover science history topics in depth, and in fact will probably want to do so metaphorically. Religion and science have more overlap than I thought they did two decades ago.

 
May 31, 2012
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Anytime anybody asks my religion,

I truthfully tell them that I'm a Phildickian Zebrahead.
Mysterium tremendum et fascinans.
"I am not who/what I think I am. World is not what I think it is. The whole situation began at some primordial time epochs ago. The themes are: beguiling, entrapment, ensnaring, engulfing (on its part); error, ignorance, falling asleep, intoxication, forgetfulness on my part. It is Torah, a form the creator deity takes. I am primordial man offered as champion, sacrifice + bait. I did not make my own self up; I was caused to remember by Jesus. (This is clearly Manichaean!) The thing is, I saw the "I Ching" do last night what I saw "Tears" + the plasmate + Valis in general do in 3-74, + got the shock of my life. This living info is divine but so am I. + it controls us (as Burroughs teaches); more, it assumes the guise of (being a) world (my view here is a radical acosmism). There are two entities: it (enslaving) + Christ (freeing). The former appears (note: appears not is) beautiful. Christ appears (note: appears not is) ugly, as trash, debris, as suffering + pain - these elements of the horrid + the harsh are (1) because everything is seen backwards. So to see it properly the value signs must be reversed 180 degrees; + (2) to awaken us, as out of a hypnotic sleep. (Official art - which is always beautiful vs protest art - which is shocking + horrid + jarring. This is the quintessential summation of my 10-volume meta novel - of all my radical acosmic epistemology"
Philip K. Dick

Exegesis
Ex Deo nascimur, in Jesu mortimur, per spiritum sanctum reviviscimus.
"1) Fake world. 2) Fake perceptions (occluded percept system) 3) Fake volition (i.e. fake freedom + choice) 4) Fake memories + hence fake identity.
All turned into the real by Zebra, the Holy Spirit - who isn't really the Holy Spirit but Christ, who is really God the creator, + who masquerades (camouflages) itself as objects, info, + causal -non-sentient- processes, +, finally as mere humans. However, that which is camouflaged (crypte morphosis) is real. But it is not apparent. The Holy Spirit locks you into reality because it itself, as Logos, is the blueprint (pattern) of all reality; so to know it is to know all reality: the plan or form thereof. It is the archetype of archetypes. This is Paracelsus' mirror of the cosmos; this is the macro-microcosm isomorphism, + Bruno's magic memory. Through the Logos a man, the microcosm is the macrocosm, but smaller - like a bit of a hologram. This is the great Hermetic truth, + the Holy Spirit accomplishes it. This is the most valuable thing that can be known (experienced), this compression of the whole cosmos in the inner space inside you.

In a sense you become the creator - in fact the whole trinity!

The many become one."
Philip K. Dick

Exegesis
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andrew

Lifer
Feb 13, 2013
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Winnipeg, Canada
How come the dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the Bible?
Well the word Dinosaur wasn't invented until around 1840. There is plenty of evidence of dinosaurs in the Bible
Behemoth: Job 40

Job 40:15-24 speaks of a "behemoth." No one is really sure what it is, but read its description.
15 “Look now at the behemoth,which I made along with you; he eats grass like an ox.

16 See now, his strength is in his hips, and his power is in his stomach muscles.

17 He moves his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.

18 His bones are like beams of bronze, his ribs like bars of iron.

19 He is the first of the ways of God; only He who made him can bring near His sword.

20 Surely the mountains yield food for him, and all the beasts of the field play there.

21 He lies under the lotus trees, in a covert of reeds and marsh.

22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade; the willows by the brook surround him.

23 Indeed the river may rage, yet he is not disturbed; he is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,

24 Though he takes it in his eyes, or one pierces his nose with a snare."
The way the "behemoth" is described, doesn't it almost sound like a dinosaur? Perhaps one of the sauropods? Some will argue these verses are referring to the hippopotamus or elephant. However, they run into the problem of explaning vs 17, since the tails of both animals are...well, far from looking like a cedar tree (let along moving like one). Their tails more resemble switches.
Leviathan: Job 41

In Job 41:1-2,7,12-32, the "Leviathan" is another creature described that has been hard to find a modern equivalent.
1“Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook, or snare his tongue with a line which you lower?

2 Can you put a reed through his nose, or pierce his jaw with a hook?...

7 Can you fill his skin with harpoons, or his head with fishing spears?...

12 “I will not conceal his limbs, his mighty power, or his graceful proportions.

13 Who can remove his outer coat? Who can approach him with a double bridle?

14 Who can open the doors of his face, with his terrible teeth all around?

15 His rows of scales are his pride, shut up tightly as with a seal;

16 One is so near another that no air can come between them;

17 They are joined one to another, they stick together and cannot be parted.

18 His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

19 Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out.

20 Smoke goes out of his nostrils, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes.

21 His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.

22 Strength dwells in his neck, and sorrow dances before him.

23 The folds of his flesh are joined together; they are firm on him and cannot be moved.

24 His heart is as hard as stone, even as hard as the lower millstone.

25 When he raises himself up, the mighty are afraid; because of his crashings they are beside themselves.

26 Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail; nor does spear, dart, or javelin.

27 He regards iron as straw, and bronze as rotten wood.

28 The arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones become like stubble to him.

29Darts are regarded as straw; he laughs at the threat of javelins.

30 His undersides are like sharp potsherds; he spreads pointed marks in the mire.

31 He makes the deep boil like a pot; he makes the sea like a pot of ointment.

32 He leaves a shining wake behind him; one would think the deep had white hair.
Some have translated the Leviathan to be a "crocodile," because of the large number currently present in the region. However, the crocodile pales in comparison to the description given to the Leviathan. Do crocodiles really raise themselves? Aren't the underbellies of crocodiles smooth rather than "sharp potsherds?" Does the crocodile really move fast enough and graceful enough to leave a "shining wake"? Other verses also mention the Leviathan the Bible furthering the concept that dinosaurs were alive with humans: Psalms 74:14, 104:25-26, Is 27:1.
Genesis

[1:20] And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the dome of the sky."

[1:21] So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, of every kind, with which the waters swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that it was good.

[1:22] God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."

[1:23] And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.

[1:24] And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind." And it was so.

[1:25] God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good.

Monsters of the sea? Also in different translations there talks about the great beasts of the earth.
Elsewhere in the Bible, there are mentions of animals fitting descriptions of different kinds of dinosaurs for which we have physical evidence.

Isaiah 27:1 — “… and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.”

Jeremiah 51:34 — “… he hath swallowed me up like a dragon, he hath filled his belly with my delicates …”

Psalms 74:13 — “… thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.”

Job 41:19-21 — “Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.”

Isaiah 30:6 — “… the viper and fiery flying serpent …”
Most often, these animals are referred to as “dragons,” as we see in the Bible, because there was no word “dinosaur.” Remember that “dinosaur” is a more modern term, coined in 1841 by Sir Richard Owen, an English anatomist, from the Greek words “deinos” (terrible, monstrous) and “sauros” (lizard). We may even be living with them still, in the form of Komodo dragons! Science has proven to be shifting sands, the Bible steadfast. The Lord God made us all. Period.
I can see dragons as being dinosaurs. There is also alot of controversy regarding Carbon dating, there is an account of a man who gave a cat who had been electrocuted before his eyes, he gave it to scientists to carbon date, they came up with something that was 1000's of years old according to science, but the man had seen the cat electrocuted therefore the carbon dating was false. Science is simply theories that haven't been disproven, it doesn't make them fact.

 

andrew

Lifer
Feb 13, 2013
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Winnipeg, Canada
It is way too much work to have faith.

There is plenty of talk in the Bible about the path to Heaven is narrow, many will come, but few will be chosen, you are right, it is work to have faith, I believe our life on Earth is a test.

 
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