Barling 1882 Silver Spigot Windcap
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Even if the bowl is marked BBB (is it in fact?), it's still a Barling. And a BBB. Barling did silver work for lots of other manufacturers and smaller shops -- nothing unusual or inauthentic about that.
An 1882 BBB is itself a fine collectible pipe, but it's the top-grade Barling silver work that makes this one particularly special. I would consider the BBB nomenclature a plus, actually. I would have expected no nomenclature at all on the shank, except for maybe the name of a shop/retailer.
sablebrush might know this, but I'm not sure when Barling first started marking the bowls of their pipes -- possibly sometime after 1882.
An 1882 BBB is itself a fine collectible pipe, but it's the top-grade Barling silver work that makes this one particularly special. I would consider the BBB nomenclature a plus, actually. I would have expected no nomenclature at all on the shank, except for maybe the name of a shop/retailer.
sablebrush might know this, but I'm not sure when Barling first started marking the bowls of their pipes -- possibly sometime after 1882.
When discussing the pipe over the phone the lady could not make out what was on the side of the bowl,but when it has arrived there is a clear diamond BBB symbol. I was made aware that barlings were silversmiths before they went on to producing pipes themselves, hence the barling silver stamp marks to the pipe.
Your are right jay they are a great name but was a little let down when discovering it was not a barling, and the price i paid was on that basis and it wasn't cheap
Your are right jay they are a great name but was a little let down when discovering it was not a barling, and the price i paid was on that basis and it wasn't cheap
hi pitchfork, sablebrush has given me some sound advice so far, but from a selling point of view i would not wish to advertise the item as a barlings to avoid a war of word about its description, i will be describing the pipe as a early BBB with barling mounts,only for the fact i sold a pre trans barlings to what i assume was a collector, it had the shop retailer name to the pipe and a barlings silver mount for 1909, after sending the item i was barraged with questions that it was not a true barlings pipe and this guy was also quoting from the barlings web page where i drew my conclusion it was , after he consulted one of his friends for a better idea he then did finial y agreed that i was not falsely describing the pipe
Pitch is correct about Barling doing the silver work for BBB. Sometime in the later 1880's BBB developed their own smithy and started doing their own silver work.
A BBB from this period is no slouch. At the time, BBB was at the pinnacle of the British pipe trade. BBB was literally Britain's Best Briars. BBB pipes with Barling sterling are a hot collectible, so don't feel sad, be glad! Fix it up and it will be worth the money.
If the pipe has "BBB Own Make" stamped on it, it was made completely in BBB's own factory. Otherwise, the bowl was turned in France and finished at BBB. BTW, the pipe industry at that time considered the French made bowls the superior product, so being French made isn't a minus, except todumbshit less knowledgeable collectors.
As for when Barling began completely making their own bowls, I don't have an answer. Al Pascia says that they began working in briar in 1865, and I have no idea what their source is for that, and I have a beautiful French turned magnum from 1872. "Barling's Make" stamps existed in the 1890's, so we can date their turning their own bowls at least that early if not earlier. And, of course, in response to the 1906 St Claude carvers' strike, Barling discontinued importing bowls and made everything in-house afterwards.
A BBB from this period is no slouch. At the time, BBB was at the pinnacle of the British pipe trade. BBB was literally Britain's Best Briars. BBB pipes with Barling sterling are a hot collectible, so don't feel sad, be glad! Fix it up and it will be worth the money.
If the pipe has "BBB Own Make" stamped on it, it was made completely in BBB's own factory. Otherwise, the bowl was turned in France and finished at BBB. BTW, the pipe industry at that time considered the French made bowls the superior product, so being French made isn't a minus, except to
As for when Barling began completely making their own bowls, I don't have an answer. Al Pascia says that they began working in briar in 1865, and I have no idea what their source is for that, and I have a beautiful French turned magnum from 1872. "Barling's Make" stamps existed in the 1890's, so we can date their turning their own bowls at least that early if not earlier. And, of course, in response to the 1906 St Claude carvers' strike, Barling discontinued importing bowls and made everything in-house afterwards.
Sorry you had to go through that. A lot of collectors are "star fuckers". They go after brand names and because they have no real interest, know little to nothing about what they're collecting other than it has a "desirable" name.
Barling commonly stamped the name of their dealers on their pipes. This was something they continued to do throughout their history. By 1909 there should be a "Barling's Make" stamp on the pipe, in addition to the tobacconist, but Barling was also a bit inconsistent with their stamping. Also, they were experimenting with stamp placement and you'll see variations for placement which peter out after 1912.
If the web article you're referring to is the Barling page on Pipedia, I wrote it.
I think that you can safely advertise the pipe as a BBB with Barling sterling mounts.
And, hers's my 1882 Barling with Barling made sterling mounts.
Many thanks to all and you are right i do use the Barling page on Pipedia i have found it of great interest when i need to find something about a barling when i come across them.The page is a credit to you sable, although i dont smoke a pipe my self and may be classed as a star fucker myself, i do get a real buzz when finding a nice pipe which i no people will appreciate to use or for their collection
Wishing you all x-mas cheer and a new year
Wishing you all x-mas cheer and a new year
Glad you were able to find the detailed info you sought Kingfisher but...
"Wishing you all x-mas cheer and a new year"
It's still November...or at least in Cornwall it is :roll:
Are we to assume that now you have what you came for we will no longer see you again?
Regards,
Jay.
"Wishing you all x-mas cheer and a new year"
It's still November...or at least in Cornwall it is :roll:
Are we to assume that now you have what you came for we will no longer see you again?
Regards,
Jay.
Far from it jay, i have just started to trawl through your many forums looking for more information on other named pipes which may be of interest to other collectors, which i sometimes i disregard from buying. Its a hobby to sell a few pipes to generate enough to hopefully pay my internet bill at the end of the month. In-respects to hearing for me again, i do not feel i could contribute any valuable information,that is best left to members like yourself and sable who have a far more extensive knowledge.
Up here in Liverpool its freezing so it feels a lot closer to Christmas so i will wish you a happy November instead. and there is no sarcasm attached just a friendly joke
Up here in Liverpool its freezing so it feels a lot closer to Christmas so i will wish you a happy November instead. and there is no sarcasm attached just a friendly joke
Well Kingfisher, isn't it always freezing (and raining) in Liverpool? I'm an ex Sheffielder myself and it's pretty much the same up there. I reckon you should stay around and show us more of your collection...we all love to see the pipes in members collections, particularly if they are of historical interest as per your pipe above.
There are many experts on particular brands of pipe (I most certainly don't fit into that category) on the forum who are only too pleased to share their knowledge with fellow members. Jesse above is the forum expert on Barlings pipes as you may have gathered but he is only one of many.
I would say stick around chum...this is a great forum :
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Regards,
Jay.
There are many experts on particular brands of pipe (I most certainly don't fit into that category) on the forum who are only too pleased to share their knowledge with fellow members. Jesse above is the forum expert on Barlings pipes as you may have gathered but he is only one of many.
I would say stick around chum...this is a great forum :
:Regards,
Jay.
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