Are we Really Losing That Much With the Closures of Mac Baren and Sutliff?

[NookersTheCat]

So, here's hoping we still see Hiking available going forward. It's tough enough to find now.

https://www.tobaccoreviews.com/adva...m=Kohlhase+&+Kopp&searchBy=ManufacturedBy

Def hope so too. Even just for you guys but I'd also like to try it one day and never had yet.
Not to be a downer but I did see someone else on here stating that even though the series was made by Kopp, Sutliff/MB had the rights to the whole trademark if not blend recipe and therefore was just going to let the whole thing die.
Now idk, if that's true maybe Kopp will come out with their own flake that's close if not identical depending on what the law allows but we'll have to see.

 

[Deano]

Peterson/Dunhill is STG and the dude who axed Sutliff/MacBaren stated that by 2028 they will almost certainly be cutting some if not all of these too. He claims the Dunhill blends actually sell pretty poorly (by their standards) in the U.S. I'd try to stock up on those if I were you and you are able.

Ive picked up a few tins recently to re-inforce my stash.

 

[Swiss Army Knife]

I wonder if the market share Sutliff of premium pipe tobacco had will just evaporate?

Almost certainly not. We're already seeing Laudisi rapidly moving into the space with their Rivertown bulks. Gawith Hoggarth & Co. has also just expanded stateside with bulk blending components. So while Sutliff leaves a big hole it'll be filled to some extent by the independent companies that remain.

I'm most curious about who, if anyone, will pick up the Match mantle. Maybe as Jeremy Reeves gets older he'll wax nostalgic about lost blends and get Cornell & Diehl more into doing matches.

 

[crashthegrey]

Def hope so too. Even just for you guys but I'd also like to try it one day and never had yet.
Not to be a downer but I did see someone else on here stating that even though the series was made by Kopp, Sutliff/MB had the rights to the whole trademark if not blend recipe and therefore was just going to let the whole thing die.
Now idk, if that's true maybe Kopp will come out with their own flake that's close if not identical depending on what the law allows but we'll have to see.

The Cobblestone line was confirmed as canceled, but it would be cool to see Kopp introduce a similar tobacco. However, it cannot pass regulatory restrictions if it is new.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

However, it cannot pass regulatory restrictions if it is new.

That argument that FDA stuff is preventing new blends from hitting the market baffles me. Leonard had actually said that these costs millions of dollars... But, yet we have seen several new blends from C&D hit the shelves, some as staples, some as small batches. IS C&D just a much larger powerhouse than all of the rest of the tobacco companies? Sutliff and MacB had new blends also before they took the shank. And, we even got a whole new line of blends from HU.

I don't understand these arguments.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

We even have a new line of Nording Hunter series tobaccos. It is nothing like when McClelland made them, and yet GH and STG keep saying that FDA is preventing them from doing this or that. But, here we have several brand new blends.

 

[sablebrush52]

That argument that FDA stuff is preventing new blends from hitting the market baffles me. Leonard had actually said that these costs millions of dollars... But, yet we have seen several new blends from C&D hit the shelves, some as staples, some as small batches. IS C&D just a much larger powerhouse than all of the rest of the tobacco companies? Sutliff and MacB had new blends also before they took the shank. And, we even got a whole new line of blends from HU.

I don't understand these arguments.

Why assume that these are new blends rather than relabelings of existing blends? Or, why assume these are "legal" blends? According to Sutliff's manager, Sutliff had a lot of blends out that weren't going to survive the deeming process.
STG is a publicly traded company, which puts it under a legislative microscope, so they won't take risks. Laudisi is a private company, so they may figure that they have more latitude for the time being.
The FDA has been otherwise occupied, but have indicated that they are getting back on track with the Deeming bullshit.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Why assume that these are new blends rather than relabelings of existing blends? Or, why assume these are "legal" blends? According to Sutliff's manager, Sutliff had a lot of blends out that weren't going to survive the deeming process.
STG is a publicly traded company, which puts it under a legislative microscope, so they won't take risks. Laudisi is a private company, so they may figure that they have more latitude for the time being.
The FDA has been otherwise occupied, but have indicated that they are getting back on track with the Deeming bullshit.

The original Nording Hunter Blends were made my McClelland and were aromatics and these are Virginia Blends. Maybe they aren't legal... if so, extra kudos to C&D.

 

[The Novice Piper]

I'd hate to buy something and not even like it when it could have gone to someone else who loved it.

You are the most honorable man here. May you never be affected by the Tobaccopocalypse.