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Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
My wife gets furious with me for saying your prejudices serve you well.

What breaks my heart is that those prejudices now apply to my fellow hillbillies.

A place where everybody has bad teeth, a bad attitude, no future, and a terrible present and a new nine they are just itching to use, is no place to be a well educated, well dressed, successful retired lawyer smoking a pipe.

Whatever happened to those left behind in rural America is a tragedy.

But it wasn’t my fault, for doing what was expected of us back then, you know?

Everybody knows to avoid urban ghettos.

Now you should not mingle among the rural ghettos.

And you cannot even think about depending on rural police for protection.

I’m too old and fat to be handcuffed and it would kill my wife.


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My wife gets furious with me for saying your prejudices serve you well.

What breaks my heart is that those prejudices now apply to my fellow hillbillies.

A place where everybody has bad teeth, a bad attitude, no future, and a terrible present and a new nine they are just itching to use, is no place to be a well educated, well dressed, successful retired lawyer smoking a pipe.

Whatever happened to those left behind in rural America is a tragedy.

But it wasn’t my fault, for doing what was expected of us back then, you know?

Everybody knows to avoid urban ghettos.

Now you should not mingle among the rural ghettos.

And you cannot even think about depending on rural police for protection.

I’m too old and fat to be handcuffed and it would kill my wife.


I hear you, I've been down to WV and coal country. Still, the violent crime is a fraction as it is in the cities.
But there is another rural America that is absolutely not like "coal country". And that's farmland. The people are fewer and further between, but there is absolutely no crime. I live in a very boring part of rural America. Even the cops don't come here. I have not seen a single cop on our road unless called in the 23 years I've lived here. I'm sure they have been, but I haven't seen them. An Amish buggy was hit by a car near here about 4 years ago.....thats the last time I saw a deputy....and I've never seen Troopers.
 
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More good points. I would only pocket carry a double-action-only, enclosed hammer small frame revolver like a S&W 642 or a Ruger LCR. I would not pocket carry a semiautomatic pistol due to relatively light, short trigger pull and controls that could be inadvertently depressed by the holster. One advantage of pocket carry is that you can have your hand on the gun ready to draw if a situation makes you nervous. No one can see the gun and your hand is on it. This should reduce draw time. Otherwise, I can see where it would be slower than strong side holster draw. It is a specialized form of carry, good for a backup gun or if you are required to wear a tucked in shirt with no jacket. I chimed in so that I could post the article explaining the proper way to pocket carry for the benefit of those who are considering it, or already doing it incorrectly. Thanks for being out there educating people on how to protect themselves safely.
Agreed.
I sometimes walk to the mailbox with a J frame in my coat pocket, no holster. We have a rouge bear that the wonderful DEC set loose near us last Fall. He looks like an Emo teenager with all the bling in his ears.
When a problem bear is relocated they get a yellow ear tag. Once they are out of ears, they are outa luck.
This guy has one tag in each ear, meaning he has been relocated 2x. If there is another call on him, they will shoot him. Our neighbors and us don't want that to happen, so we are making him as uncomfortable as possible. I get woke up every so often to a neighbor setting off a few rounds at 3am. :)
We have bee hives and he hasn't learned yet. The dogs keep him away from the hives and the livestock, but he will sit in the woods waiting for us to drop our guard, so he can investigate our driveway and yard. He isn't aggressive, just nosey....and hungry.
 
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I do not carry in a pocket - for all the reasons listed prior. When riding on my motorcycle, the gun is stored in the vest pocket of whatever jacket I have on and the thumb safety is on. This is not ideal for a fast pull - but the alternative would be an uncomfortable ride. Just as important as being able to safely pull out your gun is being aware of your environment. That is something I am good at - but it does mean living your life in a defensive manner no matter where you are - parking lot, filling station, elevator, or just walking down the block.
Yep, we get called paranoid by some people. But there is a big difference between being paranoid and being alert. Humans for the most part have lost the instinct that used to be mandatory for survival. Being aware isn't being defensive in my opinion, it's being human.
 
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Yep, we get called paranoid by some people. But there is a big difference between being paranoid and being alert. Humans for the most part have lost the instinct that used to be mandatory for survival. Being aware isn't being defensive in my opinion, it's being human.
Being human and being smart. I have one life here on earth. Take it away and it is over. No do overs. I have been called racist and bigoted because I refused to go somewhere I deemed unsafe and felt was dangerous. I'll stick with my instincts.
 
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I hear you, I've been down to WV and coal country. Still, the violent crime is a fraction as it is in the cities.
But there is another rural America that is absolutely not like "coal country". And that's farmland. The people are fewer and further between, but there is absolutely no crime. I live in a very boring part of rural America. Even the cops don't come here. I have not seen a single cop on our road unless called in the 23 years I've lived here. I'm sure they have been, but I haven't seen them. An Amish buggy was hit by a car near here about 4 years ago.....thats the last time I saw a deputy....and I've never seen Troopers.

There is extra rural America, defined as the nearest Dollar General being a half hour’s drive away, and Walmart an hour or two.

It’s only a matter of time until big agribusiness buys all that up.

Corporations only steal using lawyers and accountants.

A Glock is useless against that sort of larceny.


Paradise is 55 years old and John Prine is dead.

 
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Awareness of your surroundings is key no matter where you find yourself at and regardless if you’ve got a gun on you or not. I’ve lived in Milwaukee WI for over 20 years on all sides of the city. Yup, there were a few times things got uncomfortable but otherwise I’ve never had serious issues, outside of when I was a bouncer in my early 20s when I was paid to physically escort people off the property I was working at.

In all that time I never carried. Be smart. Know your environment and keep your head on a swivel. I’m never afraid to turn around if I hear someone behind me and take a look at them. Travel in groups and take an Uber/Lyft if you don’t want to or can’t drive. A lot of times people get too comfortable and leave themselves open to crime.
 

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Ah, Mr Peabody's coal train, and progress.
When the air smells like snakes, I also shoot with my pistols. Unlike Mr Prine, empty pop bottles aren't usually my targets.
 
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There is extra rural America, defined as the nearest Dollar General being a half hour’s drive away, and Walmart an hour or two.

It’s only a matter of time until big agribusiness buys all that up.

Corporations only steal using lawyers and accountants.

A Glock is useless against that sort of larceny.


Paradise is 55 years old and John Prine is dead.

Yep, that's where I live. Walmart is closer, but our DG does have hitching posts for your horse.
 
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Here in one graph explains why my wife is absolutely terrified to visit Humansville Missouri, because it looks more dangerous than the ghettos of St Louis and Kansas City.

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There were some few times about 1970 the price for the best school lunch grade fluid milk would hit ten dollars a hundred. Today during bad times it still does.

My father and mother paid cash for brand new cars and trucks and went on a week’s vacation every year to Colorado Springs.

In 1970 we bought Mama a brand new Impala and took off two weeks, which meant we had to attend a Christian Church one Sunday so we’d all have lifetime perfect attendance pins.

If we still had those federally supported prices a gallon of whole milk would be over ten dollars in the stores today.

My entire life, a gallon of milk has always been over a dollar.

And then, my mother’s paycheck for teaching school was enough to buy THREE brand new two ton full size Fords or Chevies, all made in Detroit, with V-8 engines and lots of chrome.

Today Missouri is dead last in schoolteacher pay.

A schoolteacher today can earn more in a meat packing plant being a human robot.

The last year of my law school I made the highest grades at UMKC law because of my picture perfect raising a half mile South of Bug Tussle, and especially because my parents bought me a World Book Encyclopedia when I was four years old and took me every Sunday morning, and evening, and Wednesday evening to a traditional, prosperous, old line Christian Church.


I watched kids in law school move their lips when they read. Our professors were astounded they had zero knowledge of classic poems and Old Testament law.

And today every child in the Humansville school system is on free-not reduced price but free-breakfasts, lunches, and take home “buddy packs”.

But Humansville still has a gleaming new public library, and the Christian Church and the schools still look as they should be in a movie set.

My wife asked me what happened to Humansville and I said the primary cause is lack of taxpayer funded welfare to dairy farmers and the shrinking pay of schoolteachers.

But those excellent roads to other places and crackerjack schools where no child graduated the eighth grade without reading on a college level also put a bad hurt on Humansville.

Sing one, Dwight Yockum


Growing up the one and only pistol I ever saw belonged to the night watchman, and he never pulled it out of it’s holster his entire life.

But back then a good Colt or Smith and Wesson was an expensive luxury, you know?
 
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Here in one graph explains why my wife is absolutely terrified to visit Humansville Missouri, because it looks more dangerous than the ghettos of St Louis and Kansas City.

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There were some few times about 1970 the price for the best school lunch grade fluid milk would hit ten dollars a hundred. Today during bad times it still does.

My father and mother paid cash for brand new cars and trucks and went on a week’s vacation every year to Colorado Springs.

In 1970 we bought Mama a brand new Impala and took off two weeks, which meant we had to attend a Christian Church one Sunday so we’d all have lifetime perfect attendance pins.

If we still had those federally supported prices a gallon of whole milk would be over ten dollars in the stores today.

My entire life, a gallon of milk has always been over a dollar.

And then, my mother’s paycheck for teaching school was enough to buy THREE brand new two ton full size Fords or Chevies, all made in Detroit, with V-8 engines and lots of chrome.

Today Missouri is dead last in schoolteacher pay.

A schoolteacher today can earn more in a meat packing plant being a human robot.

The last year of my law school I made the highest grades at UMKC law because of my picture perfect raising a half mile South of Bug Tussle, and especially because my parents bought me a World Book Encyclopedia when I was four years old and took me every Sunday morning, and evening, and Wednesday evening to a traditional, prosperous, old line Christian Church.


I watched kids in law school move their lips when they read. Our professors were astounded they had zero knowledge of classic poems and Old Testament law.

And today every child in the Humansville school system is on free-not reduced price but free-breakfasts, lunches, and take home “buddy packs”.

But Humansville still has a gleaming new public library, and the Christian Church and the schools still look as they should be in a movie set.

My wife asked me what happened to Humansville and I said the primary cause is lack of taxpayer funded welfare to dairy farmers and the shrinking pay of schoolteachers.

But those excellent roads to other places and crackerjack schools where no child graduated the eighth grade without reading on a college level also put a bad hurt on Humansville.

Sing one, Dwight Yockum


Growing up the one and only pistol I ever saw belonged to the night watchman, and he never pulled it out of it’s holster his entire life.

But back then a good Colt or Smith and Wesson was an expensive luxury, you know?
I get my milk straight from the teat.
But it's only used for cheese, butter and cream. Can't stand drinking straight milk. :)
In the past we sold it at farmers markets and a now closed local general store.....1/2 gallon for $5 in glass bottles.
If mama still had that Impala I'd give her the weight of the car in milk. :)
 

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I get my milk straight from the teat.
But it's only used for cheese, butter and cream. Can't stand drinking straight milk. :)
In the past we sold it at farmers markets and a now closed local general store.....1/2 gallon for $5 in glass bottles.
If mama still had that Impala I'd give her the weight of the car in milk. :)

Our family bought my great grandmother a brand new 1908 Ford Model T so she could take her daughter and go sell butter at Humansville. Pretty girls sell butter at higher prices than hairy legged boys.

They could haul enough butter to pay for the car in four trips, at fifty cents a pound.

Fifty cent butter in 1913 would be $16 a pound wholesale today.

And at the same time my great grandfather was selling high grade extra large Perchon type Missouri Mules for $200 each, to the dad blasted gubbermint.

If part of a team there was a one hundred dollar a mule premium, so two were $600 and four were $1,200, etc. Occasionally the gubbermint buyers would accept a sixteen mile team for $4,800, which is about $150,000 today, which won’t buy much of a tractor.

They were wealthy. They lived in a brand new mansion. Cars were gadgets to attract attention to sell butter, they preferred blooded horses and slick new buggies, for personal use.

We were Cambellites.

If there was special music at the Plum Grove Congregational Christian Church a pretty young girl sang Tramp on the Street.


My father shot and killed a good old foxhound named Goldie because Goldie nipped at a little girl waiting for the school bus, and scared her.

Today the Beware of Dog and No Tresspassing and No Hunting signs are everywhere with Pitt Bulls playing around old mobiles homes where mansions once stood.

And if I try and shoot my guns in sight of the road a Judas with a cell phone calls the law.